Thanks but I've never seen iso test. But i have prop but I would love to try some lol
I stopped doing orals due to my liver having slight pain. I now take milk thistle no orals and went to the doc a month ago and I am doing really good health wise. He did check my liver enzyme count and it was good.
Hi, literally just signed up because I know from experience a bit about this. Been reading the board a while, hi everybody, good info etc etc.
Bear in mind, simply lifting weights can skew liver and kidney values quite badly.
High protein diet can skew them also.
Combine the two, add in AAS, and the numbers aren't always reliable (not saying they're always fine.. just sometimes not reliable).
I had high values many many years ago before even touching AAS, but trained and dieted hard at that point... even the same day as the bloods. Was advised not to train for a few days and lower protein before another set of bloods.. so did, and they came back fine. I know lots of BBers/fitness types who have had the same (not all on AAS). Some of the healthiest clean people I know deliberately don't train for 5-6 days before bloods for this very reason.
But play it safe (which you're doing)...
Use TUDCA or NAC for your liver (FAR better than anything else and proven to repair/protect) and come off orals for a bit, no alcohol etc etc.
Kidneys... yep, lower protein for a while, lots of water, and check blood pressure. The blood pressure is more important than bloods for this IMO... by the time problems with kidneys show up on blood tests, it's too late. It's long term high blood pressure that wrecks them. This is why people think tren fcuks kidneys... it doesn't directly... it raises blood pressure in most people... which is what fcuks kidneys. Buy a blood pressure monitor (with a very large cuff obviously lol) and check at least weekly. I can almost guarantee if it's not tren, it's more the fast 35lbs weight gain in a few months that's sent your blood pressure up... because that's exactly what happened to mine. Drop some weight, blood pressure will come down ridiculously fast... OR use lisinopril if you'd rather go down the meds route. Cardio (irritatingly) helps blood pressure too. Some natural supps and foods can help... but the weight, particularly water retention will do 10000x more damage (or good if you drop weight).
If it were me, I'd cruise on as low a dose as you feel good on (200-300/wk, whatever), just to play it safe, until all clear. The last thing you want to do is come off cold turkey and add to issues with other problems.
Good luck.. from your posts it sounds like you're doing exactly the right thing... i.e. trying to fix it. Too many guys go with the "ahh, I'll be fine" attitude. But figured I'd chime in cos more info/experiences can be useful sometimes
Bear in mind, simply lifting weights can skew liver and kidney values quite badly.
High protein diet can skew them also.
Combine the two, add in AAS, and the numbers aren't always reliable (not saying they're always fine.. just sometimes not reliable).
I had high values many many years ago before even touching AAS, but trained and dieted hard at that point... even the same day as the bloods. Was advised not to train for a few days and lower protein before another set of bloods.. so did, and they came back fine. I know lots of BBers/fitness types who have had the same (not all on AAS). Some of the healthiest clean people I know deliberately don't train for 5-6 days before bloods for this very reason.
But play it safe (which you're doing)...
Use TUDCA or NAC for your liver (FAR better than anything else and proven to repair/protect) and come off orals for a bit, no alcohol etc etc.
Kidneys... yep, lower protein for a while, lots of water, and check blood pressure. The blood pressure is more important than bloods for this IMO... by the time problems with kidneys show up on blood tests, it's too late. It's long term high blood pressure that wrecks them. This is why people think tren fcuks kidneys... it doesn't directly... it raises blood pressure in most people... which is what fcuks kidneys. Buy a blood pressure monitor (with a very large cuff obviously lol) and check at least weekly. I can almost guarantee if it's not tren, it's more the fast 35lbs weight gain in a few months that's sent your blood pressure up... because that's exactly what happened to mine. Drop some weight, blood pressure will come down ridiculously fast... OR use lisinopril if you'd rather go down the meds route. Cardio (irritatingly) helps blood pressure too. Some natural supps and foods can help... but the weight, particularly water retention will do 10000x more damage (or good if you drop weight).
If it were me, I'd cruise on as low a dose as you feel good on (200-300/wk, whatever), just to play it safe, until all clear. The last thing you want to do is come off cold turkey and add to issues with other problems.
Good luck.. from your posts it sounds like you're doing exactly the right thing... i.e. trying to fix it. Too many guys go with the "ahh, I'll be fine" attitude. But figured I'd chime in cos more info/experiences can be useful sometimes
Hi, literally just signed up because I know from experience a bit about this. Been reading the board a while, hi everybody, good info etc etc.
Bear in mind, simply lifting weights can skew liver and kidney values quite badly.
High protein diet can skew them also.
Combine the two, add in AAS, and the numbers aren't always reliable (not saying they're always fine.. just sometimes not reliable).
I had high values many many years ago before even touching AAS, but trained and dieted hard at that point... even the same day as the bloods. Was advised not to train for a few days and lower protein before another set of bloods.. so did, and they came back fine. I know lots of BBers/fitness types who have had the same (not all on AAS). Some of the healthiest clean people I know deliberately don't train for 5-6 days before bloods for this very reason.
But play it safe (which you're doing)...
Use TUDCA or NAC for your liver (FAR better than anything else and proven to repair/protect) and come off orals for a bit, no alcohol etc etc.
Kidneys... yep, lower protein for a while, lots of water, and check blood pressure. The blood pressure is more important than bloods for this IMO... by the time problems with kidneys show up on blood tests, it's too late. It's long term high blood pressure that wrecks them. This is why people think tren fcuks kidneys... it doesn't directly... it raises blood pressure in most people... which is what fcuks kidneys. Buy a blood pressure monitor (with a very large cuff obviously lol) and check at least weekly. I can almost guarantee if it's not tren, it's more the fast 35lbs weight gain in a few months that's sent your blood pressure up... because that's exactly what happened to mine. Drop some weight, blood pressure will come down ridiculously fast... OR use lisinopril if you'd rather go down the meds route. Cardio (irritatingly) helps blood pressure too. Some natural supps and foods can help... but the weight, particularly water retention will do 10000x more damage (or good if you drop weight).
If it were me, I'd cruise on as low a dose as you feel good on (200-300/wk, whatever), just to play it safe, until all clear. The last thing you want to do is come off cold turkey and add to issues with other problems.
Good luck.. from your posts it sounds like you're doing exactly the right thing... i.e. trying to fix it. Too many guys go with the "ahh, I'll be fine" attitude. But figured I'd chime in cos more info/experiences can be useful sometimes
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