Critique this please!!

[STEELMILL]

I posted this over on bodybuilding.com as well to get input there as well. So you guys' help would be awesome too. Please remember that when reading this, I have used slin before, the 70/30 mixture. So, any help would be great!!


TEST: Enan 1250mg/wk weeks: 1-10
Prop 600mg/wk weeks:11-16

Tren: 75mg EOD weeks 1-6 and weeks 11-16

Deca: 400mg/wk weeks: 1-16

D-bol: 50mg/day weeks:1-8

Anavar: 30mg/day weeks 11-16

GH: 4 IU/day weeks 1 - 16

Slin: 10units/ workout weeks 1- 3
12units/workout weeks 7-9
15units/workout weeks 13-15

Nolva: 10mg/day weeks 11-16

I've been reading that Deca and tren together shut you down hard so if this if the majority of you feel this way please tell me, and if this is the case then which would you go with the deca or the tren? The answer to this would help immensly!!!


I'm curious as to what you guys think.....this is very expensive cycle and I want to do it right!!!!!

-STEELMILL

Oh yeah almost forgot, stats are 5'8 and 1/2 ", 195-200lbs, 12-14% bf, 23yrs old, and will be fourth cycle.
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[mikeswift]

with 1250mgs a week of test, slin and GH I would assume your an experienced user who has done many cycles but post your stats so the bro's on here can give you more specific results. personally i wouldn't do deca and Tren together with this cycle but like I said more experienced bro's will be sure to pipe in once you've posted what your past cycles were

 

[Flexmaster]

looks fine to me, i've never used tren but from what i've read i'd choose the tren. it really depends on how you react to the substances yourself.

 

[mace]

That is a pretty elaborate cycle bro. Bump mikeswift. What do your past cycles look like?

What are your goals?

 

[Archaic]

Drop the deca at week 11 (and either switch to short acting stuff or up the tren to compensate) to prevent a sabotage of your recovery.

I'm not sure why you stop taking tren in the middle of the cycle and then start it again; I'd run it all the way through.

And dude, you will be shut down COMPLETELY on even 300mg of testosterone. Deca, tren, whatever!! You might consider running 500iu of HCG from weeks 3-18 to keep your boys going.

What does your PCT protocol entail?

 

[STEELMILL]

1st Cycle - 10 wk of beginner cycle containing
Test Sust 500mg/wk wks 1 -10
EQ 400mg/wk wks 1 - 10
Front loaded - with prop instead of susp for the first two weeks to jumpstart.



2nd Cycle- weeks 1 -4 susp 100mg/day winny - 50mg ed
eq - 600mg/wk

weeks 4-8 tren 75mg/day Dbol 50mg/day Test enan 1000mg/wk

weeks 8 - 12 wml tren/day 400mg eq/wk 100mg proviron ed

coming off insulin 10iu in a.m.
proviron 50mg first 2 wks
hcg 2500 * 2 shots
Nolvadex 20mg in am. 40mg before bed


then slin for 8 wks to preserve



3rd cycle - 1250mg enan/wk, 1ml tren/wk, 50mg dbol per day Blast phase - only for about 4 wks

There are some small details I left out but this is the jest of my cycle history.....I went from a lean 165 to a chubby 230 throughout these cycles and now I'm at approx 200lbs.

 

[STEELMILL]

I was under the understanding that the only makers of HCG quit, and my source for it doesn't have anymore Any suggestions

 

[brew]

Ist of all, the lenght of your GH is too short IMO. extend it another 8wks to get the max benefit if financial possible. Also, with that much test, I feel your tren should be higher go ED with 75. I like teh break, gives the oragans a chance to breath. If it were only 12 wks I'd so straight thru, but at 16 a break will help prevent some damage. I think 15 units of slin is a little much, but thats just me. you asked about the deca tren combo, yes your gonna be shut down, but not specifically due to the combo My concern would be progesterone induced gyno, especially since you never ran the two toghter before, this gyno is a different beast, and nolv won't take it away. I would switch the deca for eq at 600 to be safe, but if you go wtih it make sure you read up on the sides of the combo.

 

[STEELMILL]

Thanks brew, I'm planning on running the GH for six months but I'm not sure what to do after week 16 concerning the AAS I would run with it. I'll def. up the tren to ED and the slin doesn't really worry me yet, I haven't had any close calls as of this point in time ( no jinks I hope). However, I'm still not sure what I want to do concerning the deca and tren together. I know the tren has given me immense strength gains in the past but I've never used tren and I'm not sure as to whether or not the deca would give me good gains since I've never used it. Anyways, if anyone wants to give me their opinions on the tren/deca combo, that would be great. Meanwhile, I just keep reading on it.
-STEELMILL

Ps- I think I read that bromoscriptine could prevent gyno with this combo. Any input?

 

[brew]

I have heard that it will take it away, but not prevent it. Shit oals of B6 like 400 mg are supposed to lower progesterone levels significantly. Either way run a anti E be it nolv dex or femera becuase progesterone I beleive is dependent upon the amount of esterogen around, I know they are linked somehow, so if you lower the one you effect the other. I ran deca and very low dose tren together with 1ml iof dex and didn't have any trouble. But I think I'm one of the lucky ones in this case.

How did you like slin. Did you run it while on test? I am would like to hear what you though about it, considering adding 8-10 ius post workout in my bulker with eq test tren.

 

[STEELMILL]

nah brew, i didn't use it while on test simply b/c i was running a heavy dose.....I should have tried it but I used it that first time to preserve my muscleand it did an excellent job.....that is why i'm pumped to try it in this cycle. I also used the humilin mixture which is 70/30 and it's in yoru system for 12 hours so i couldn't do the shot right after the workotu.....I had to do it in a.m. so that it was out of my system before going to bed. I'm going to use the humalog this time b/c it will leave my body sooner. If you try it before I get to it, let me know what you think of it. BTW, you wouldn't know where HCG would be available do ya? maybe PM me?

 

[Lord Odin]

Iron bro...yea with the slin you don't want to go over 16ius of it. Now with the GH, Brew is right on point, You want to run it a minimum of six months...With the Tren, I assum you are talking about Trenbolone Acetate(Fina) as their are 5 different kinds...one commonly called parabolan...

Looks like you have the cycle under control, but that is a pretty advanced cycle for 4th cycle, but it seems you have done your research and the reasoning behind each combination is sound. I wish you the very best and a suggestion to stack with the GH during the remainder of the 6 months would be Primobolan/Masteron stack depending on how you bodyfat is...it needs to be around 10% for this stck to be its most effective...

Goodluck and feel free to post anything else Iron Bro..

 

[STEELMILL]

Hey bros,
Got another question about this upcoming cycle (sorry so many, it's just expensive and I want to do it right) Anyways, would it be wise to run proviron throughout or part ways? Didn't know if it would do me any good since I'm already running var the last six weeks.
-STEELMILL