to be honest, i have used proviron by itself before and i will tell you what i noticed. my hair on my head started to thin pretty quickly and fall out (just a little though b/c i stopped soon thereafter). however, my body and facial hair both started to grow at an incredible pace AND thickened substantially. btw, proviron, if you aren't familiar with it, is pretty much like taking dht in pill form from what i understand. i think it is named methyl-dht, and is even a little stronger than the natural dht. not sure though.