Drug Dogs in School

[WesleyInman]

I just saw on National New where they made it legal to allow drug dogs to search daily in Middle Schools in the US.

What are your thoughts on this??

My personal thought is that I am absolutely opposed to this...1000%..this is a violation of privacy even that I feel children and young adults should have...What kids are going to want to go to school in order to be harrassed...

I personally think this sets a new precedent and violation of human rights..The government is overextending itself more and more each day, and I think we need to be very aware of this...Last thing I want is LE, gov't or State involved in my child's life. If my child were involved using drugs as a middle schooler or teenager, I would personally want to help her...and not allow the Gov't, State, and LE's approach to deal with my child.

My thought is that for drug issues, you attempt to solve the problem by helping the person. Giving a person probation, jail time and a record that can effect their long term employment is just another device our Gov't uses in order to control the population. If I were ever in that position, I would want to get my child help with rehab or take preventative measures...

Children are far more prone to "peer pressure", experimentation and overall trying to find themselves in the world...If my child has a bag of weed or bottle of Test in their locker, I don't want any other involvement..I think the schools need to handle this on their level..suspensions, detentions, etc...

The day is coming where you and I will have very minimal control of what we are able to do, and this is happening day by day by day IMO..We are getting closer to attempts at full control...

Not sure if anyone sees this for exactly what I do, but these drugs dogs need to stay out of the schools..funny how we couldn't afford to put LE in place to "protect" our children from Newtown CT..but now all of a sudden we can afford an officer and a drug dog to make unwarranted searches and seizures and place our children into the fucked up Court and Justice System of the US.

I don't want my child subject to the BS 'war on drugs" that this Country has launched..If you want a solution put something in place to address why these children are using drugs and educate them on better alternatives, or help them to rehabilitate them long term...Ruining their future is not a deterrent to kids using drugs, they don't think that great...And neither does our POS system.

Anyone agree/disagree??

 

[Bruiser76]

I've got a 14 yr old son, and a girl he knows was just busted at school with 2 oz of weed. As a parent, I see no problem with the dogs in school. I want to protect my kids from that life as long as possible. We talk openly about the dangers of drugs and alcohol. I was an addict by the time I was 13 (5 years clean and sober now), and if I saw my kids heading down that road it would break my heart. Now a days, parents are so lazy and let TV and Facebook raise their kids for them. So in a lot of cases, it is up to the school and government to do what they have to. With how many hard drugs are easily available now, it's best to try to put a stop to this shit as soon as possible. I know I'd rather my kids have a black mark on their record than end up in a grave.

 

[SilkQuads]

This is a really good question and I don't know which way I'd go. I could say I'd do this or that all day, but I'd be fooling myself if I, someone without a child thought for a second I'd have a clue the impact a child has on ones life. My Dad always told me there's nothing like a childs love and you don't know how powerful that love is until you have a child of your own. I believe him. It's sad to say, unless God has other plans for me I will never know that love. The Dude and I do not plan on having children because the world is going downhill fast! We both feel no matter how good a job we do parenting, we just can't compete with this world. Like Bruiser said it would break my heart to see my child take a wrong turn in life and go down that dark road. It's sad that we live in a world that is so screwed up (imo) I wouldn't dare bring an innocent child into it.

I was an addict by the time I was 13 (5 years clean and sober now).

Good for you!

 

[irish2003]

they've been doing it forever i WI, but they pass it off as "training exercises"

 

[csuperman]

they had them in my high school years ago

 

[CH3NO2]

I am about as Libertarian as you can get, however you have no right to privacy on school grounds. With the exception of strip searches, the school has every right to search lockers and back packs all they want.

 

[The Dude]

I am about as Libertarian as you can get, however you have no right to privacy on school grounds. With the exception of strip searches, the school has every right to search lockers and back packs all they want.

I agree. I think the screw up was made long ago. It's public school and its 100% Government controlled. It's their property. I also don't agree with Drug laws, but they are there because more people agreed than disagreed to pass them (so they say).
The monstrosities that we have seen in the last couple years aren't out of the blue. The populace stood by and wanted more and more Government in their lives. Now they have it.
Every time a new law is passed, a freedom you once enjoyed is taken. People thought more laws would make things better. I'd like to ask those same people what they think now

 

[IronJulius]

ill probably be buying my drugs from my son if he gets to high school lol joking (also 5 years 9-25-07) congrats bruiser

although i have steered him toward chemistry lol the kid is a genius and i have no idea how

i do share my experience with my kids but im not going try to control their life because i only see it driving everyone crazier

i get mad as hell at the government so i dont think to much into it might cause me to relaspe

 

[Bruiser76]

I am about as Libertarian as you can get, however you have no right to privacy on school grounds. With the exception of strip searches, the school has every right to search lockers and back packs all they want.

Exactly. If people don't like it they can home school.

I agree. I think the screw up was made long ago. It's public school and its 100% Government controlled. It's their property. I also don't agree with Drug laws, but they are there because more people agreed than disagreed to pass them (so they say).
The monstrosities that we have seen in the last couple years aren't out of the blue. The populace stood by and wanted more and more Government in their lives. Now they have it.
Every time a new law is passed, a freedom you once enjoyed is taken. People thought more laws would make things better. I'd like to ask those same people what they think now

Great points. But when it comes to the issue of drugs, I do believe that something needs to be done about the drug laws. Filling our prisons with potheads and cops being more worried about that shit instead of higher priority crimes. They Wed to focus as much on drunk driving laws! Now with that said, when it comes to our kids (ALL of our kids), the laws need to be more strict. We need to remember that kids in junior high school are still nothing more than children. And in the hands of children, drugs are far more dangerous and need to be treated as weapons. In many ways, that's what they are in the hands of uneducated kids who can't make proper decisions. Drugs can/will kill kids.

ill probably be buying my drugs from my son if he gets to high school lol joking (also 5 years 9-25-07) congrats bruiser

although i have steered him toward chemistry lol the kid is a genius and i have no idea how

i do share my experience with my kids but im not going try to control their life because i only see it driving everyone crazier

i get mad as hell at the government so i dont think to much into it might cause me to relaspe

Thanks! Congratsts to you too!

 

[WesleyInman]

Some good opinions on this thread And good points...

I personally am of the thought process of De-criminalizing drugs and treating those who have issues with them and are dependent..Not enrolling them into the money making "justice" system.

Portugal being the only Country to have done this and considered it a great success...Drug arrests were cut in half, while those requesting "treatment" doubled..big surprise.... Drug addiction to me is a psychological event, placing someone in jail does not solve anything...I have been to jail and drugs are just as rampant in there, if not more prevalent then on the street.
Decriminalizing Drugs in Portugal a Success, Says Report - TIME

The one thing for those of you on the other side I wish for you to consider, someone said, Public Schools are a Government Institution... Government when the US was founded meant "we the people"..A democracy. My taxes pay for those schools as do yours, and we should have a say..

We no longer have a say, and "government" in the US is now a separate entity then the "people"...I agree with the Dude's statement about more laws, etc, etc...I think people when bending and allowing little invasions of privacy like this forget, our Country was founded for "Freedom"...but daily we are losing that freedom...

If we allow little intrusions they will add up and one day you will find yourself looking at another revolution, martial law, or a communist hierarchy in this Country...I feel like many people underestimate and don't see exactly what is happening little by little...

 

[1MoreRep]

They been doing it for years here in Va. I def think they should allow it

 

[Presser]

yeah I think its a good idea, I am not a big fan of more control, more laws, and more security in general, but when it comes to our children in school , im all for it, My Daughter is a junior in highschool and at 16 years old she is at that age where kids can go down the wrong path and if dogs in school can maybe help a child not get hooked on drugs im good with it! I am very fortunate n that my daughter isnt in that crowd, my only worry now is Sex with her fucking Boyfriend,lol. Yes that talk was uncomfortable to the point where she asked me to stop talking about it,lol, then again i did bring it up in the middle of the Mall, lol.

 

[mcgaret]

Bringing up the "TALK" in the middle of the mall. lol Sounds like my timing. I have to say its a good
thing they didnt do that when I was in high school. lol I quit 19 and a half years ago.(partying) I was out of control.
Woke up in corinary intensive care unit. Cardio myopathy (fluid around the heart) and two ice pick holes in
my back. I think I was trying to fight the whole bar. lol My girls are now 18 and 14. I have and still do spend
a LOT of time with them. Coached them both thru 8th grade, vollyball and basketball. Drive them everywhere
and am always talking to them. Someone said facebood ect. is raising our kids so schools should pick up the
slack. I disagree. The parents should take a bigger part. My parents let me do my thing so I strayed. This
wont gurantee a good kid but increases the odds. Dogs in schools? Not sure, have to think about that. Good
post though.

 

[Bruiser76]

What I said is that too many parents are lazy and letting FB and TV raise their kids so the school is having to pick up the slack. In those cases you're not gonna get the parents to do anything which is why the dogs in school are needed.

 

[Presser]

Bringing up the "TALK" in the middle of the mall. lol Sounds like my timing. I have to say its a good
thing they didnt do that when I was in high school. lol I quit 19 and a half years ago.(partying) I was out of control.
Woke up in corinary intensive care unit. Cardio myopathy (fluid around the heart) and two ice pick holes in
my back. I think I was trying to fight the whole bar. lol My girls are now 18 and 14. I have and still do spend
a LOT of time with them. Coached them both thru 8th grade, vollyball and basketball. Drive them everywhere
and am always talking to them. Someone said facebood ect. is raising our kids so schools should pick up the
slack. I disagree. The parents should take a bigger part. My parents let me do my thing so I strayed. This
wont gurantee a good kid but increases the odds. Dogs in schools? Not sure, have to think about that. Good
post though.

lol, I know, but you have to seize the opportunity when it presents itself, and well, it presented itself at that given moment! lol. But My daughter shut down the chat pretty fast,lol, but I did end the conversation with "Ok...But If I find out, im going to rip his little dick off" and yes those were my EXACT WORDS! LOL

 

[IronJulius]

Ok...But If I find out, im going to rip his little dick off

this is what my gf says if she catches me cheating on her

 

[The Dude]

I'm not a parent and I never will be. I made that choice and I accept it. If I were a parent, I would not be OK with the Government (laws) or the school having any say in how I raised my kid. I also believe that 99% of LE is fucking retarded when it comes to Child Abuse shit. You see fathers going to jail for laying a beating on their 17 year old kid who got expelled from school for selling dope and then hitting their mother.
Things are all messed up. I don't see a way to be successful with our current society. I applaud those of you that are up for the challenge

 

[Buffalo]

I see no difference in this than having metal detectors at campus'. My issue would be singling a student out.

 

[Lightsout]

I'm not a parent and I never will be. I made that choice and I accept it. If I were a parent, I would not be OK with the Government (laws) or the school having any say in how I raised my kid. I also believe that 99% of LE is fucking retarded when it comes to Child Abuse shit. You see fathers going to jail for laying a beating on their 17 year old kid who got expelled from school for selling dope and then hitting their mother.
Things are all messed up. I don't see a way to be successful with our current society. I applaud those of you that are up for the challenge

This is why kids today are brats. If you spank them you will go to jail. Shit when I was a kid I got my assets beat from my mom all the time for just saying fuck. Lol.. And now your kid can do wat they want and you really can't do Shit from them but take there cell phone or some bullshit like that. But if my two boys some bullshit for something that going to get them in jail. I'M KICKING THERE LITTLE ASSES. And I will be in jail with them. And the ass kicking will strat all over again. LOL

 

[Bruiser76]

You've all touched on some great points. When it comes to parents now a days, they're plain fucking lazy. I see it on a daily basis with other parents I see at school. Even some of the parents of my sons' friends have shown their true colors and I no longer allow my boys to go to their houses. The problem is these people will not change and it'll be their asshole kids who are bringing the drugs to school and getting them in the hands of good kids. So the school and government has to step in. Am I happy about their having to be drug dogs in school? No. Am I happy that they are trying do something since the parents are failing? Yes. We can't blame the school and gov for doing what needs to be done. However we absolutely CAN put the blame where it belongs. With the parents who don't care.