Extend PCT w/ HCG?

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cytis01

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Ok – so I have been reading on this site for around a year; finally registered a little while back (which of course made researching threads a million times easier) but its time I take full advantage of the cumulative knowledge of this board! This will be a bit long but I know you guys always ask for more detailed info so you can give better advice so here goes…
My stats – Male/29yrs old/5’8”/210lbs/9%bf estimated. Been lifting steady for roughly 15yrs. Father was a competition powerlifter in the 70’s and got me hooked in high school and Ive never stopped. Im into body building, symmetry, definition, not necessarily pure size. I want my body to look good, I don’t need to flip tires or squat a car.
My FULL History – for better or worse at age 17/18 I raided my old mans stash of andro/andro poppers/mag10 etc – all the orderable goodies in the 90’s that were still labeled supplements were too tempting for a kid. I used them for months at a time, would stop cold turkey when we ran out. I know they aren’t ‘real’ gear but Im sure they played w/ my system anyway so I wanted to mention for full disclosure. After starting college I continued to lift and did so clean 100% w/ just protein/creatine on and off the next 6 years. Each year of course its been more difficult to make gains naturally. Again, for better or worse, about a year ago I experimented with some winny I came across on a short 6 week cycle (don’t recall the dose regimen) until my joints weren’t happy with the weights anymore. I know oral only cycles are viewed as not worth it/waste of time and so on but then I felt that I just wanted a little pick me up in the gym. I did a clomid pct after to be safe. That was the gateway though it seems as a half year later I got some anavar and turanabol which I ran together for 8 weeks 40-50mgs Anavar/40-60mgs Turanabol. I was on ALA/Milk Thistle/Liv52/lipid stabil/coQ10 and any other liver/heart lifters I had. I lifted hard, ate well and made about 15lbs of solid gain and moved up in reps/weight like I did when I was younger. Got me hooked I think. Anyway; after this past oral only cycle I started pct and ran clomid only again. I was able to skip winny-dick last time but this combo seemed to kill my libido and shut me down more. I quickly ran to MC sponsors and overnighted some toremifene to add to my pct which has helped a bunch. Ive never had a high libido in the first place; maybe due to my experimentation with the prohormones as a 17yr old or just my own system but Im on the back end of week 3 of pct and Id have liked my test/libido recovery to be further along. Doing these baby-oral-only cycles I never bothered to get my blood work done though I realize I probably should have but anyway - I don’t know what my base test was. I have read a lot of people on here talking about HCG for pct and getting libido back. also Ive read some amazing things about GNRH but also that it is something to be VERY careful with. GNRH is available through some of the sponsors but I haven’t seen HCG.
After all this background my goal is to #1 get my libido back. I have a hot wife and I hate telling her that I ‘am not feeling well’. That and she wants to hit it every day as she wants a kid- What is the boards feelings on GNRH? Seems you can do 1 shot 100iu, set and forget and don’t do another for at least 6 months. The stuff still makes me nervous so I thought this would be the best opportunity to reach out to the board. The LAST thing I want is chemical castration! Is it not worth it this far into pct and I should just finish off my current PCT? Should I go ahead and extend my pct and add some HCG? Probably going to skip the GNRH for now but still would like feedback on experience anyone has.
Goal #2 is to cut up a little for which I have some aqua-burn and cyto-burn ready; those are new to me as I have traditionally done ECA stacks w/ more cardio but been very good feedback on these, then #3 toward the end of the year I think it might be time to get real and do a real cycle running test of course and layering in something else. Prior to starting a real cycle I will be continuing to research existing threads for good combos to run and protocol but I will also be getting full blood work done for test/thyroid etc. I think that is this boards best feature – you all seem to genuinely look out for each other’s health #1 which I appreciate.

Also - please let me know if I have violated any board etiquette. Im hoping not.
 
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Welcome aboard buddy. That's a lot of good info and yeah there aren't a whole lot of oral only fans here if you ask me.

I don't have any experience on tripto but I heard that it is a one dose only drug after your esters clear. Then you continue on with a hcg pct or SERM PCT.

As far as your libido issues, have you thought about running a test only cycle or taking test in HRT doses to help with libido?
 
Thank you Buffalo - yes - I wont be doing anymore oral only even though I did get great results from the last one. I was debating on if I should try a test only cycle. My other thoughts were to layer in something else like a SARM or Ive been hearing good things about CJC1295 and GHRP together on the board. I think it probably makes sense to start with test only though and see if I can get good results there first, then step up dose or add something else next time.

as for HRT that is one of the reasons I want to get full blood done anyway- I may just have low T to begin w/ and on top of that Im just getting older and if that is the case Id rather know it; plus it gives me an excuse for the wife to have syringes and test laying around the bathroom ha- I think Im going to switch to my wife's doc though as he is fairly liberal minded. prescribes codeine and vicodin for strep throat ontop of the antibiotics. he'd probably be more willing to help me with more aggressive HRT than some gel or something if that is an issue for me.

thanks again for the reply
 
Excellent post. You obviously spent some time on that and it's appreciated.
1. Do you have insurance? I so, a guy I know would recommend you getting in to get your blood work ASAP. Your levels are as you know in the toilet and at this point my first course of action would be to get your levels done and get a script for test. It will make your life alot easier in all respects. Be forthcoming with your Dr (within reason) and tell him you don't want gel as you are on top of your wife constantly and don't want her growing a beard. He'll likely start you on HCG and maybe a low dose of test. From there you don ever have to worry about crashing again.
Personally in the 5 years I've been on HRT I've been prescribed Test, Deca, Anavar, Winstrol, GH, Nolvadex, Arimadex, HCG, and on and on. This is great for obvious reasons.
Personally I wouldnt do anymore self medicating in your position. At least for now. You'll probably have monthly blood tests as you start your HRT and I would add anything during this time that might result in a lower prescribed dose.
Once you get the basics down like free / total test, estrogen levels, liver enzymes, etc you can look at getting into other things, but it would suck to be taking all the risks and trouble to do 200mg a week of test on your own if your Dr would prescribe you 400, don't you agree?
Clomid is great for volume BTW.
 
Appreciate the post Dude - I had initially thought it would be better to finish my PCT and give it another few weeks to let me 'normal' levels of test to settle in so I got an accurate baseline but youre right; it might make my case easier if my test is already low... I have very good insurance so I dont think the tests will be an issue especially as Im nearing 30 and should be getting a full physical anyway. What you say makes a lot of sense and I probably should get the map before I start driving any further- :-) I think Ill finish up my pct and schedule a doc appointment thereafter. Ill skip the HCG until then.
 
consider dropping HCG from your PCT and using triptorelin 100mcg after longest acting AAS is out of your system. I have more info on a stack to run with it as well. This is much better than any HCG based protocol
 
consider dropping HCG from your PCT and using triptorelin 100mcg after longest acting AAS is out of your system. I have more info on a stack to run with it as well. This is much better than any HCG based protocol

Tripto is a one time use, correct? Then continue with a low dose SERM like Nolvadex?
 
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i would use tormifene and clomid together after the trip...yes one time injection
so are you saying that you should trip and torem as a pct after every cycle? If youre taking 100mcg now, is it safe to run again in 6 months after next cycle for pct? Just curious if I venture down that road in the future.


The stuff sounds amazing for what it can do but if it returns me to just 'normal' and as I mentioned my libido has never been crazy I am probably going to follow Dude's advice here and finish up my pct and then get the blood work done and see if I am just low t. I am going to wait a few weeks after pct so I am even more 'normalized'. Either I jacked my young guys up a bit when I was 17 w/ those prohormones or I just have low t all together as I have only had those two conservative cycles of orals over the course of 1.5yrs and always followed up w/ pct and I doubt that would have wrecked irrevocable havoc on my test. Thanks for the feedback guys - it helps organize thoughts/opinions a lot and makes me feel more confident on a course of action.
 
so are you saying that you should trip and torem as a pct after every cycle? If youre taking 100mcg now, is it safe to run again in 6 months after next cycle for pct? Just curious if I venture down that road in the future.


The stuff sounds amazing for what it can do but if it returns me to just 'normal' and as I mentioned my libido has never been crazy I am probably going to follow Dude's advice here and finish up my pct and then get the blood work done and see if I am just low t. I am going to wait a few weeks after pct so I am even more 'normalized'. Either I jacked my young guys up a bit when I was 17 w/ those prohormones or I just have low t all together as I have only had those two conservative cycles of orals over the course of 1.5yrs and always followed up w/ pct and I doubt that would have wrecked irrevocable havoc on my test. Thanks for the feedback guys - it helps organize thoughts/opinions a lot and makes me feel more confident on a course of action.

The max is 300mcg in a calendar year from what I've read. Anything over that will proceed to castrate you.

It looks good as hell and now that you brought tripto up I'm really liking what I read now.

Torem is awesome! Even a Torem PCT is great, I can't imagine what a stimulation from tripto would be like.

At least you are planning and asking buddy. It's better than what most people do and wreck their health.
 
The max is 300mcg in a calendar year from what I've read. Anything over that will proceed to castrate you.

It looks good as hell and now that you brought tripto up I'm really liking what I read now.

Torem is awesome! Even a Torem PCT is great, I can't imagine what a stimulation from tripto would be like.

At least you are planning and asking buddy. It's better than what most people do and wreck their health.

yep - I read a lot of good things about Torem so when I got shut down and clomid didnt pop me back the same I quickly got some Torem. Ill never be with out it again and as I mentioned its helped a lot already. GNRH=Triptorelin and its pretty inexpensive from sponsors; I think half off today where I was looking! I hope some more people give it a whirl so there is some more speaking-from-experience opinions on the stuff.

thanks for the vote of confidence :-) Im glad I found this place
 
i will only recommend trip, torm, and clomid from now on. Done the research and talked with some pros who use it. Thats what im sticking by
 
Just a little more to the mixture is my friends Dr gave him .75iu of HMG.. Human Menopausal gonatropin which he did for 6weeks and got his sperm level up to have a kid.. Along with hcg.. Good read from all you guys..
 
Ok so this week libido is back full tilt. I think it coincided with me switching from my old Torem to a new bottle from RIU. I upped the dosage to around 120mg in the morning and another 60mgs at night along with mainaining clomid at 100mgs. That was basically double my dosage of the Torem from before and it really picked me up. Naughty dreams and morning wood let me know shit was working. Wifey isnt worried anymore either lol. Still scheduled my appointment to get blood work done out in mid October a couple weeks after PCT so I can normalize again a bit before then.
 
Ok so this week libido is back full tilt. I think it coincided with me switching from my old Torem to a new bottle from RIU. I upped the dosage to around 120mg in the morning and another 60mgs at night along with mainaining clomid at 100mgs. That was basically double my dosage of the Torem from before and it really picked me up. Naughty dreams and morning wood let me know shit was working. Wifey isnt worried anymore either lol. Still scheduled my appointment to get blood work done out in mid October a couple weeks after PCT so I can normalize again a bit before then.

Thats great to hear bro. I hate hearing when people have a hard time with sides but glad folks ask.

I would freak out if I didn't wake up with morning wood anymore lol. Wifey would probably be happy for the break though ha.

I'm only running about 30mg on cycle and I have no sides other than a fat face lol. No atrophy and not one sore nip.

How much longer are you going to run this?
 
Thats great to hear bro. I hate hearing when people have a hard time with sides but glad folks ask.

I would freak out if I didn't wake up with morning wood anymore lol. Wifey would probably be happy for the break though ha.

I'm only running about 30mg on cycle and I have no sides other than a fat face lol. No atrophy and not one sore nip.

How much longer are you going to run this?
At end of week I plan on cutting down to 75mgs of Torem split morning and night and 50mgs clomid in morning. The week after I will go to 30mg Torem and 25mg Clomid then I should be g2g.

Ive noticed once I can spike my libido back up Im pretty well back on track and can taper down on PCT but this one was scaring me a bit when I didnt bounce back the first couple weeks. Ill stick with RIU Torem go forward. Not sure if it was that or just my body finally responding but Ill stick with what worked.
 
Well that Torem sure is good s#it apparently. As I said my libido was back in action full tilt after switching over to RIU peps stuff and upping the dosage a little. Tapered it down (along w/ the clomid) and was done taking it on 9/21. Was able to get in for full physical and bloodwork on Thursday (10/11) and got the results back yesterday.

Blood Testosterone was actaully now slightly ABOVE normal at 829ng/dL vs the normal range provided by the lab being 225-825; so that was great news and relieving to hear. As mentioned wife wants kids and didnt want to see a low natty T score. I have a hard time thinking that anyone with t levels even close to that lower range must feel miserable. Ill take 829 at 30yrs old though.

Also, my thyroid stimulating hormone was at the upper end of the range good since Ive done cycles of both T2/3; that was 3.82 w/ normal range by lab of 0.2 - 4.5 mIU/L.

I was interested to see how cholesterol came in too due to some of the orals
HDL cholesterol (good) a little low at 36mg/dL - normal range quoted by lab as >39
LDL (calculated) was in range at 98mg/dL - normal range quoted as 19-130
glucose levels came in at 79mg/dL w/ normal range from lab of 60-100

I realized I was a complete dipshit when I read this though as I forgot to ask to add on liver counts to this. fu&($! well, I dont drink at all when I lift, and keep those orals length under 8 weeks, and always prep prior to and run liver supports so Im probably not going to die but still would have liked to know how the little guy is.

Definitely recommend Torem to add to your pct if you dont already. Was stuck in the dumps w/ clomid but once I added, actually, once I switched to RUI my shit came back with a vengence and looks like its still elevated my natty T more than 3 weeks after last dose.
 
Just came off a hard cycle two months ago, competed 2x this year so between bulking and dieting cycles. For bridging purposes I've been applying ghrp-6, DAC, Hgh frag, and MC igf, I've also applied two dosages of Trip, three weeks apart. Got blood work back and everything was near perfect and today going to fertility doc and drop off a sample for sperm count to see if my little swimmers came back, wife wants another baby. All these test covered by insurance so I will report back on how Trip worked and if it brought my swimmer count back.
Two years ago it was ZERO and three months later it was 19 million.
 
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