Halotren - Powerlab Nutrition

[nkuzisuicide]

I will be starting a cycle of Halotren tomorrow. I have the following products lined up. All of the products are from powerlab nutrition. I assumed that this would be my best bet considering they make the PH.

1 x Halotren
1 x LiverClean
1 x NoEstrogen
1 x Post Cycle 2

Do I need a SERM for my post cycle or is Post Cycle 2 sufficient? I called PowerLab to see if I needed to take NoEstrogen through my ph cycle and post cycle, they told me to only take it during the ph cycle, and that Post Cycle 2 would take care of the estrogen.

This is my first cycle of well... anything.

What should I be looking for and or what should I be weary of during my cycle? If I have side effects I know to take either clomid or nolvadex, however, I have never bought either of these in the past. I have found various places to buy them online, but I have no idea if any of the places are legitimate. If someone could pm me about this I would be very grateful, as I do fear gyno.

I assume people will want to know my goal and my statistics.
-I want to build LEAN muscle. - I know that I could build more if I do a true bulk, but I really don't want to gain fat
-6 foot even
-240 lbs
-28% BF - *sadface*

I just recovered from a disc fusion surgery. I gained lots of weight while recovering (over a year).
I've been working out naturally for 2.5 months with good results. I started at 250 lbs and 32% BF.
I've been taking Cellucor P6, Tropinex AQ, MP Creatine, Dymatize ISO-100 (I'm lactose intolerant) This was the best I could find.

Thanks to everyone in advance.

 

[MMX2]

Ok-- first you really need to focus on diet and cardio-- you make no mention of either in your post.
I really think you need to come down some more before you begin to consider a cycle.
My two cents.

 

[nkuzisuicide]

My diet is in check. As far as cardio, I have done none so far. I plan to add some in my training, I just haven't yet.

I am also guessing on the BF% - I have one meter telling me 21.4% and another telling me 30%...
I gave 28% not because it is the average, but, because I'd rather agree with it being higher than lower, so that I can be happy as it goes down. The 21.4% is coming from one of those handheld meters that you put age, height and weight into. The 30% is from a scale that I just bought that you put height and age into. I also feel it's necessary to point out that the starting 32% was from the hand held meter. I've lost quite a bit of fat and only 10lbs, so I've put on quite a bit of muscle. There is a major appearance difference.

Also, I want to be very clear here, as I do appreciate your input. I AM taking the cycle, so advising me to wait or anything similar will be overlook. I specifically wanted info on the cycle.

 

[mb97]

I think MMX is just trying to look out for your health buddy. 28% bf is really high, what's your blood pressure like, because most people with that high of a body fat # usualy has high blood pressure too. Then add in your cycle that's just asking for problems. You said you have only been training for 2 1/2 months? Most people wait at least a year or two because you will get such great gains initially without the help of "supps." I highly recommend you hold off til you hit a plateau then if you must add in the list of things you listed. It sounds like you have your mind made up though, but highly recommend you listen to some of us who have not only years but decades of training under our belts. Nonetheless good luck!

 

[nkuzisuicide]

I've been lifting for 2.5 months this time around. I lifted for a while before my injury. My blood pressure is good. I just had a physical a week ago when I purchased life insurance. I can't recall the numbers, she said they were actually lower than most people she sees. Like I said, I don't know what my BF% is because of the differences in the meters. How do you guys determine yours?

If the hand held meter is right, would 21% be too high?

I'll post some pictures and let you guys decide which number is more accurate. I'm at work right now. give me a few hours.

I don't want it to seem like I don't appreciate or respect the advice... Maybe I was a little to straight forward back there... I wouldn't be asking if I didn't want advice from you guys. I've read almost this entire forum in the last week. I just recently registered. I've been allover the place looking for a forum full of guys that have been there and done that. Most forums are full of people with a lot of opinions and little results.

 

[nkuzisuicide]

Ok, I found some pictures on my phone. They are in my first album which is open for viewing.

Guess my BF% lol!

 

[MMX2]

Ok-- so I have been around the sport for 27+ years.
For what's it's worth - 28% is too high, 21% is too high.
As MB mentioned in post , most members decide on supplementation after building a year naturally and feel that have reach their natural growth potential. From your post I don't think you are there. Members that start early in their muscle building path have goals of competing at a higher level or engaging in powerlifting/stongman compets- you did not mention either.
If you are wishing to go ahead, know that you will gain body fat- sounds like you are an endo and it comes with the territory.
I would not count on a scale to determine bodyfat- they are notorious for over estimating body fat levels.
I would either go get a read by water displacement( this is the best) or have a certified trainer that know how to take caliper measurements accurately.
You need to have a good accurate read- sounded like you were guessing.
If you are prone to gyno-a lot of endos are, then you will need nolvadex.

 

[MMX2]

Ok, I found some pictures on my phone. They are in my first album which is open for viewing.

Guess my BF% lol!

You can't tell- you have your shirt on and pics are too close.

 

[IronJulius]

ive done a couple cycles of PHs and yes you definately need a SERM check out the MC store here which i have yet to order from but intend to very soon. I weighed 230 when i done Prohormones and worked out for a year and got gyno. i would really try and get bf% down i know cardio sucks but gyno really sucks and not worth temporary muscle because even tho the PH will get you strong its hard to keep the gains. you are welcome to PM me with any questions ive done reseach after the fact but never ran a proper cycle of PH's.

 

[nkuzisuicide]

You started getting gyno a year after using ph's? That is nuts man. Did you take anything for a pct?

MX I never said I had gyno issues or that I was prone to gyno...

I would love to compete. I just realized how much I like to work out. After seeing changes, it has me feeling incredible. There is nothing like it. I want to take a PH to gain strength in order to be able to train harder. I hope I will be able to keep the strength, and if so, getting bigger is inevitable. Bodybuilding is new to me, so there is a lot to learn. I've been researching diets, training methods, and suppliments ever since I started training. It's amazing how much conflicting information there is on the internet. I know that there is no 10 step method to getting huge and ripped because everyone is genetically different, but I'm starting to get the idea of how it all works. The supplimentation is where I'm still learning and always will be it seems. Knowing what to take and when is key to cutting down on the time it takes us to get where we want to be. I would use AAS's but I have no idea where to start, so I started with something easy to acquire and seamingly easy to control side effects wise.

 

[IronJulius]

sorry i worked out a year before i did my first PH and got gyno after my 3rd PH it was a superdrol cycle and no i didnt use PCT the guy at store said i didnt need it (i still think about killing him hoping for zombie apocalypse). i stayed around the 230's in weight those first 2 years burning fat and gaining muscle.

 

[IronJulius]

my suggestion is continue your research and asking questions PH's are no joke they have messed up a lot of people but can be successful if done right. MX is right on about gyno because larger men tend to get it more often thats why getting under 15% bf is best before use of any PH/steriod.

 

[bigghorn]

Glad you got life insurance .... Jst kidden bro.. Listen to the MXster.. He's full of knowledge and I'd pick someone in the sport before I'd listen to a dr sometimes ..Where is the pictures?

 

[nkuzisuicide]

Glad you got life insurance .... Jst kidden bro..

lol... well that makes me feel great about this PH. If I don't make it to the end of my cycle, tell my wife and kids I love them, but I wanted to build some muscle :sport:

 

[Buffalo]

MB and MX make a lot of sense.

I started at about 28%bf last year and now I'm down to 15% and still not 100% on taking anything yet for the reasons they have said. I have a bottle of Epi that I was going to take but now just with conversations with other members I'll skip a PH and just research gear.

I also know guys who were at the stage where I am at and they shed off more bf researching low doses of test.

This was 15% measured at my gym. The trainer said I hold all of my fat right at my sides because everything else is tight and big. He said to come back in a few days and I measured at 18%. This was a caliper test so I'm sticking with 18% and want to hit 15% by the end of the month before I start thinking about doing any research.

 

[bigghorn]

lol... well that makes me feel great about this PH. If I don't make it to the end of my cycle, tell my wife and kids I love them, but I wanted to build some muscle :sport:

Hell yeah brutha... Forgot to tell you welcome to Mc.. Great reads and info here as you probably can see..

 

[exbeanpole]

Hey OP, welcome to MC! I agree with what the others have suggested as far as dropping more BF and getting more lifting in before you run this, but if you're dead set on it then here ya go. I've got some experience with PH's so I'll start by saying the two compounds in Halotren wouldn't be my first choice for a beginner. Having said that you won't have any concerns about estrogen sides while running this. There will be no aromatization with either one these compounds. BP however will be a concern, so I'd suggest taking hawthorn berry for two weeks prior to the start of your cycle and through the duration. And a SERM is a MUST for your pct!

 

[MMX2]

The main point here is that we don't want you to spin your wheels and get frustrated because you don't see the speedy results you are looking for.

 

[Buffalo]

I think I speak for everyone in saying that we all want you to have a good time with good results but most importantly is be safe.

 

[IronJulius]

I think I speak for everyone in saying that we all want you to have a good time with good results but most importantly is be safe.

yes also add if its a lean PH then it will dry your joints out and you will be lifting a lot more weight which joints are not used to and being dry could injure yourself get fish oil and glucosamine but glucosamine only works for half the population.