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I train calves without my shoes - always have. Yeah, it may seem novel if you don't do this but I find it superior to training with shoes for a couple reasons:

1. It keeps your calf poundages under control because if you go too heavy, it hurts your feet. Keeping poundages under control allows you to use a full range of motion while training the calves. It should be no secret that calves need a full range of motion, maybe more than other muscle groups, as they are very used to the midrange from walking all day. They are not accustomed to the stretched portion nor are they accustomed to the fully flexed portion of a calf raise.

2. Grip. Those of you train in your shoes know damned good and well that you have to continue to adjust your feet as they slip off of the block most times. This being said, I also think that this limits the stretched portion of the movement to some degree because if you don't stretch as far down, you don't slip as much either.

3. If wearing high tops while training calves, they basically get in the way in the front of the ankle. As you stretch and drive the heels down, the shoe in the front of the ankle acts similarly (but not to the same degree) as a knee wrap while doing squats. This can limit the range of motion and/or the stress placed on the calf in the stretched position.

4. It is old school and old school is good. ;)

Now, do NOT come at me with the argument of "it will break down your arches". ALL calf training has the potential to break down arches as there is no arch support when the heel of your foot is not on the ground at the same time as the ball of your foot. I have been approached about this time and time again over the years and it burns me every time.

Your thoughts?

Skip
 
Guess I'll have to give it a try!
Skip I hope you don't have stinky feet when you do that! LOL

KR
 
I personally train in Otomix, but with keeping in agreement with you, I believe total control of weight through a full range of motion, pauseing at the top and bottom are the best way to train muscles like calves. I hate to see the "plate shakers" just making noise...Good post skip
 
I will definately try this-my calves totally suck and I have always worn hi-tops. Never thought about the range of motion being limited. I thought I had tried everything-
 
got a question for everyone-what do you think about training calves EOD or every third day? BTW-I remember seeing lots of pictures of Arnold back in the day and i think he always trained barefoot-even when doing squats.
 
plate shaker,lol, never heard of that but so fitting to some of those idiots
 
Yeah, won't the gym get pissed at you for not wearing shoes? I'm not big enough yet to pull those stunts and have people not say anything to me. haha i guess it comes with the territory right skip
;lol
 
As far as not being able to train without shoes, I have never been told ANYTHING at all about this in any gym, ever. I don't prance around with them off, though. I set them next to me and when I am done doing calves I put them right back on. I am sure that for liability purposes they might not want you to but I train in a 48k sq. foot facility so they don't ever see my ass anyway. lol

I would not recommend training legs without shoes as you do need the arch support with the ball and heel of the foot being on a solid surface. I have found myself throwing away brand new pairs of gym shoes after finding out that the arch support didn't work for my feet. It has caused back pain in the past and was directly related to the lack of support in the arch of the shoe. I know whether a shoe will work after only a couple leg sessions. This is another reason that I will keep a pair of gym shoes for well over a year and sometimes close to 2 years. My current pair has the thread coming unglued but I won't give them up yet as the support is still good enough that my back is holding up very well.

Skip
 
instead of throwing away brand new shoes just go see your podiatrist (i think that's what it's called) and get some insoles, that is what i got and they work wonders. even the $30 ones you can buy at the drug store work well, just find a type that works well for you. good heel and arch support is crucial, none of those flat peices of foam, they do nothing!!!!!!!!!
 
I wear a pair of wrestling shoes while training. It's damn near like going bare foot but others don't have to deal with the smell.

OK my feet don't smell but I don't like going bare foot.
 
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