New memeber w/couple R3 Long IGF-1 questions??
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bodybybob,
You stated "SO THAT YOU DONT PUT ANY WATER INTO THE IGF-1 VAIL SINCE WATER WILL DEGRADE THE IGF-1 IN ITS VAIL"
Where the hell do you get your information? Water will not degrade IGF. In fact water has a slightly higher pH than BA and if you knew what IGF required you would know that IGF requires an 'acidic' environment. BA is worse than water.
I'm suprised einstein didn't already jump on you for that.
You stated "SO THAT YOU DONT PUT ANY WATER INTO THE IGF-1 VAIL SINCE WATER WILL DEGRADE THE IGF-1 IN ITS VAIL"
Where the hell do you get your information? Water will not degrade IGF. In fact water has a slightly higher pH than BA and if you knew what IGF required you would know that IGF requires an 'acidic' environment. BA is worse than water.
I'm suprised einstein didn't already jump on you for that.
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you are a member of animals forum arent you well go check out what they say and to me they are the smartest bros on the internet ,so what the HELL are you talking about!!!!!also most of the sources that i know of use BA to mix igf-1 and i use it and it lasts a long time and gives me reults and also all the other bros i know of on one of the site i am a mod at use the same stuff and they get results ,with BA so as i say before what the hell are you talking about
you are a member of animals forum arent you well go check out what they say and to me they are the smartest bros on the internet ,so what the HELL are you talking about!!!!!also most of the sources that i know of use BA to mix igf-1 and i use it and it lasts a long time and gives me reults and also all the other bros i know of on one of the site i am a mod at use the same stuff and they get results ,with BA so as i say before what the hell are you talking about
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proud13
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bodybybob,
Yes animal is the genious who came up with the idea of putting IGF in BA originally. Why he thought this up I have no idea?
You can be a lemming all you want but I've posted the manufacturers directions on how to mix it up and they've tested it to record degradation. If there was a better way don't you think they would have researched it and recommended it?
I don't give a shit what animal says. Many well respected and more knowledgable people will tell you he is not as educated as he claims to be. Feel free to tell him that and yes a long time ago before I researched IGF on my own I went on that board and saw post after stupid post about how to put the IGF with BA and even Animal said in one post..."I've never used it though".
He tries to demean anybody who doubts him or his wannabe guru-like ways but he doesn't even make sense while doing it or establish a factual basis.
Also, you didn't answer my question about water degrading IGF. Is that something you heard, made up or accidentally posted?
I'll gladly go over to his board again if you pm me the site since I somehow lost the 'so helpful site'. By the way you stated "they are the smartest bros on the internet" well obviously you don't get around much b/c that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm sure everybody has some intelligent people, along with newbies and then people that just use stuff and go along with hearsay from others and you fall into the later category which to me is a lemming who follows others, beleives others, doesn't research and tries to act like you truly know when all you're really doing is passing on info you heard somewhere.
You can mix IGF with anything you like....Kool-Aid, Mountain Dew, BA or even piss and it will work to some extent (if not completely in the begginging) but it will degrade at different rates. Think about it this way (the simplest terms) if you have two drinks with the same amount of liquid but one has more ice cubes and you put them in the sun, which one will stay colder longer and retain a lower temperature? Obviously the one with more ice cubes and in this case.....the IGF which is mixed correctly (with a higher pH than that of water > BA) will last longer and meet the manufacturers specs.
Yes animal is the genious who came up with the idea of putting IGF in BA originally. Why he thought this up I have no idea?
You can be a lemming all you want but I've posted the manufacturers directions on how to mix it up and they've tested it to record degradation. If there was a better way don't you think they would have researched it and recommended it?
I don't give a shit what animal says. Many well respected and more knowledgable people will tell you he is not as educated as he claims to be. Feel free to tell him that and yes a long time ago before I researched IGF on my own I went on that board and saw post after stupid post about how to put the IGF with BA and even Animal said in one post..."I've never used it though".
He tries to demean anybody who doubts him or his wannabe guru-like ways but he doesn't even make sense while doing it or establish a factual basis.
Also, you didn't answer my question about water degrading IGF. Is that something you heard, made up or accidentally posted?
I'll gladly go over to his board again if you pm me the site since I somehow lost the 'so helpful site'. By the way you stated "they are the smartest bros on the internet" well obviously you don't get around much b/c that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm sure everybody has some intelligent people, along with newbies and then people that just use stuff and go along with hearsay from others and you fall into the later category which to me is a lemming who follows others, beleives others, doesn't research and tries to act like you truly know when all you're really doing is passing on info you heard somewhere.
You can mix IGF with anything you like....Kool-Aid, Mountain Dew, BA or even piss and it will work to some extent (if not completely in the begginging) but it will degrade at different rates. Think about it this way (the simplest terms) if you have two drinks with the same amount of liquid but one has more ice cubes and you put them in the sun, which one will stay colder longer and retain a lower temperature? Obviously the one with more ice cubes and in this case.....the IGF which is mixed correctly (with a higher pH than that of water > BA) will last longer and meet the manufacturers specs.
i have been researching igf-1 since it first came out and as i said before animals forum is the best imo when it comes to tech.info,so animal is not who i rely on ,i do my on research and i have researched gropeps site also .so you can belive what you want .but as i said before the BB that are useing igf-1r3 are useing the product that is mixed with BA since there are only a few sources that sell it and they mix it with BA and most people can not get it from gropep,and they get results just like me ,as i said before BW degrades the igf-1r3 very fast withen hrs,if left out and not frozen ,so you can do what you want ,and mix it anyway you want ,me i will stick with the BA and when i do a shot i will backload the syringe with BW so as to get all of the igf-1 out of the syringe
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Geez you really are stupid bodybybob,
SHOW ME WHERE THE FUCK IT SAYS TO USE BA ON GROPEPS SITE YOU FREAKING, DUMBASS LIAR!!!
IF YOU READ THE GROPEP SITE THEN YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT PH THE IGF-1R3 REQUIRES AND BA DOESN'T PROVIDE IT. IN FACT BA HAS A LOWER PH THAN BACTERIOSTATIC WATER. SO HOW COULD YOU SAY IT WOULD DEGRADE IN A FEW HOURS?? HAVE YOU DONE AN ELISA TEST TO RECORD THAT DEGRADATION? SHOW ME A STUDY THAT CAN BACK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BAW DESTROYING IGF-1R3 IN JUST HOURS.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR RESEARCH. YOU CERTAINLY DON'T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE, CHEMISTRY OR BIOLOGY!! YOU HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THIS STUFF AND THAT IS APPARENT BY YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON IGF-1R3 AND EVEN THE INFORMATION I POSTED WHICH IS DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER...WHICH YOU SUPPOSEDLY HAVE READ...NOT.
PLEASE DON'T POST ANYMORE UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE ANYTHING YOU STATE DIPSHIT LEMMING!! FIND YOURSELF A BIG CLIFF TO WALK OFF B/C NOT TOO MANY OTHER MORONS ARE GOING TO MISS YOU WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME IN ANIMAL'S CULT. YOU'RE A STUPID ASS LIAR AND I'M TIRED OF DEFENDING FACTS TO YOU. YOU HAVE TOO MUCH PRIDE AND IGNORANCE TO LEARN FROM OTHERS. YOU WILL GO NO WHERE IN LIFE WITHOUT LEARNING AND LISTENING TO OTHERS AND RESEARCHING (OR LEARNING TO RESEARCH) ON YOUR OWN. YOU'RE A FOLLOWER AND I'M A LEADERS. SORRY, MAYBE IT'S GENETICS, EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUD OR MY IQ BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE AND SAD BUT OBVIOUSLY TRUE. GOODBYE~
SHOW ME WHERE THE FUCK IT SAYS TO USE BA ON GROPEPS SITE YOU FREAKING, DUMBASS LIAR!!!
IF YOU READ THE GROPEP SITE THEN YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT PH THE IGF-1R3 REQUIRES AND BA DOESN'T PROVIDE IT. IN FACT BA HAS A LOWER PH THAN BACTERIOSTATIC WATER. SO HOW COULD YOU SAY IT WOULD DEGRADE IN A FEW HOURS?? HAVE YOU DONE AN ELISA TEST TO RECORD THAT DEGRADATION? SHOW ME A STUDY THAT CAN BACK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BAW DESTROYING IGF-1R3 IN JUST HOURS.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR RESEARCH. YOU CERTAINLY DON'T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE, CHEMISTRY OR BIOLOGY!! YOU HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THIS STUFF AND THAT IS APPARENT BY YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON IGF-1R3 AND EVEN THE INFORMATION I POSTED WHICH IS DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER...WHICH YOU SUPPOSEDLY HAVE READ...NOT.
PLEASE DON'T POST ANYMORE UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE ANYTHING YOU STATE DIPSHIT LEMMING!! FIND YOURSELF A BIG CLIFF TO WALK OFF B/C NOT TOO MANY OTHER MORONS ARE GOING TO MISS YOU WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME IN ANIMAL'S CULT. YOU'RE A STUPID ASS LIAR AND I'M TIRED OF DEFENDING FACTS TO YOU. YOU HAVE TOO MUCH PRIDE AND IGNORANCE TO LEARN FROM OTHERS. YOU WILL GO NO WHERE IN LIFE WITHOUT LEARNING AND LISTENING TO OTHERS AND RESEARCHING (OR LEARNING TO RESEARCH) ON YOUR OWN. YOU'RE A FOLLOWER AND I'M A LEADERS. SORRY, MAYBE IT'S GENETICS, EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUD OR MY IQ BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE AND SAD BUT OBVIOUSLY TRUE. GOODBYE~
proud13
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http://www.gropep.com/index.php/article/articleview/81/1/50/
bodybybob,
BEFORE POSTING BE SURE TO CLICK THE ABOVE LINK. IT IS THE GROPEP HANDLING PROCEDURES (ACTIVATION) OF THE IGF-1R3.
bodybybob,
BEFORE POSTING BE SURE TO CLICK THE ABOVE LINK. IT IS THE GROPEP HANDLING PROCEDURES (ACTIVATION) OF THE IGF-1R3.
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listen you fucking asshole i never said gropep said to use BA maybe you should learn to read and i have been researching igf-1 since the time of nassar and yates,WHICH IS MORE THAN YOUR 2 FUCKING YEARS ,not only that you are a fucking begginer next to me i have been studying and training for over 53 yrs and still am hardcore at 70 ,i have forgot more than you know in fact i was teaching BB and nutrition before you were fucking born and i also started useing roids in the late 60s when iT first was being used by BB,AND I EXTENSIVLY REAEARCHED THAT ,i personaly trained with mr america and two pro universes and now am training in a gym where one of the bros quilified for the nationals ,this is a hardcore gym not one of those waterted down places,,i was useing hgh and did extensive research on it ,since the time of haney and labrada ,i converse with two of my long time friends who have degrees in chemistry ,so you know what go fuck your self with your false info ,BW WILL DEGRADE IGF-1 AND I REPEATE ALL THE BB I KNOW THAT USE IGF-1 ARE USEING IT MIXED WITH BA AND GET RESULTS AND LIKE YOU SAY THERE ARE NO PROVEN MED.RESULTS ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING (FUCK GROPEP,THEY ARE ASSHOLES )BUT WHAT IS TRUE IS EVERYONE IS USEING BA AND IT IS WORKING ,THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME ,AROGGENT MORON ,OF COURSE WHAT GROPEP MIXES THERE IGF-1 WITH WORKS ALSO .BUT SO DOSE BA,WHAT THE FUCK MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN OTHERS YOUR A FUCKIN NEWBIE
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lol, now now boys, play nice fellers, Im sorry if anyone got offended either way, and im no guru on the shit but I had success with ba and igf, great success in fact, but hey maybe if i reconstituted right it could have been that much better, but no more bashing each other please
proud13
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I leave it like this. You've proven who is more intelligent by your post and if you were to talk to chemists or biologists they would let you know that mixing a highly unstable chain of amino acids [in this case IGF-1LR3] with BA the properties would not hold for as long as it would if mixed like the manufacturer states.
Btw-you stated Gropep is idiots.....LMAO!! :laugh: I'm sure you could come up with a way to design IGF to be resistant to IGFBP's and then make it using recombinant E-Coli bacteria. Of course they're idiots they only own the international patents and it's a bunch of monkeys without Ph.D's who design and test these cytokines. Geez you prove it more and more as each post goes on.
You're 70 years old and you think that means your wise and more intelligent than me? :dizzy: Age doesn't equal a Ph.D I don't care how much research you do (or in your case don't do)!! Be sure to prove me wrong though by simply emailing or calling Gropep and asking them about BA and the cytokine IGF-1R3. I have talked with not only an Australian scientist but a US Distributor (of IGF-1R3) who was the C.S.O (Chief Scientific Officer) at length about the stupidity of the idea and how impractical it is.
I'd say grow up and learn but never mind you'll be dead when the study comes out stating the degradation of IGF-1 in BA. Maybe you can just roll over in your grave though with with humiliation.
C'ya.. :wave:
Btw-you stated Gropep is idiots.....LMAO!! :laugh: I'm sure you could come up with a way to design IGF to be resistant to IGFBP's and then make it using recombinant E-Coli bacteria. Of course they're idiots they only own the international patents and it's a bunch of monkeys without Ph.D's who design and test these cytokines. Geez you prove it more and more as each post goes on.
You're 70 years old and you think that means your wise and more intelligent than me? :dizzy: Age doesn't equal a Ph.D I don't care how much research you do (or in your case don't do)!! Be sure to prove me wrong though by simply emailing or calling Gropep and asking them about BA and the cytokine IGF-1R3. I have talked with not only an Australian scientist but a US Distributor (of IGF-1R3) who was the C.S.O (Chief Scientific Officer) at length about the stupidity of the idea and how impractical it is.
I'd say grow up and learn but never mind you'll be dead when the study comes out stating the degradation of IGF-1 in BA. Maybe you can just roll over in your grave though with with humiliation.
C'ya.. :wave:
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