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i dont know if this is the right forum but i would just like to say hi, i signed up today and this forum looks awesome, looks like there is a lot of great info here, some stats on myself im 21y/o 5'11" and 210lbs i want to start my first cycle next month and have been doing a ton of research especially on the right places to acquire anti es and pct stuff. excited to be part of this board !
 
Welcome to the board. You look pretty good for not having done a cycle yet if that's you in your avatar. First cycle should put you around 240 -ish if you do it right. Good luck!
 
Welcome to the board. You look pretty good for not having done a cycle yet if that's you in your avatar. First cycle should put you around 240 -ish if you do it right. Good luck!
Ya that's me, and I appreciate the compliment, I'm about to be 22 so I figured now is the right time for a first cycle, just gonna run 500mgs of test c a week for 12 weeks and maybe a dbol kick start, I'm just scared of getting bunk anti e and pct , I got a small amount of gyno in puberty so I think I'm susceptible to getting it easily ?
 
That's a good amount of test to start, and with the dbol, you should hit that 30 lbs gain mark pretty easily. Diet will probably dictate a lot of how much you gain and keep regardless of anti-e's and PCT. Yes, you might be prone to gyno. I would suggest working with the estrogen because you need that for your gains, believe it or not. Basically, you take clomid (not nolva, that just blocks receptors) during the cycle so the body doesn't have a need to aromatize in the first place. It can be a little bit of a trick to find the right dosage to balance the test-estrogen equation, but once you do, you have three benefits: 1) test stays high to build muscle with less conversion to estrogen, 2) the clomid blocks receptors from real estrogen so there is an anti-e effect, and 3) FSH and LH don't drop off so much so you aren't as shut down at the end of the cycle. PCT then is far more mild, and you're back to normal faster. This is pretty much a new school of thought, working with the compounds and the feedback cycles of the body. If you find that your body converts to estrogen much too readily, then you'd want to bring an anti-e into the scene.

If you also add in IGF to the mix of your first cycle, at least 50-100mcg per day, I would expect you'd gain a little more size plus keeping most of your gains. Again, diet will be crucial.
 
That's a good amount of test to start, and with the dbol, you should hit that 30 lbs gain mark pretty easily. Diet will probably dictate a lot of how much you gain and keep regardless of anti-e's and PCT. Yes, you might be prone to gyno. I would suggest working with the estrogen because you need that for your gains, believe it or not. Basically, you take clomid (not nolva, that just blocks receptors) during the cycle so the body doesn't have a need to aromatize in the first place. It can be a little bit of a trick to find the right dosage to balance the test-estrogen equation, but once you do, you have three benefits: 1) test stays high to build muscle with less conversion to estrogen, 2) the clomid blocks receptors from real estrogen so there is an anti-e effect, and 3) FSH and LH don't drop off so much so you aren't as shut down at the end of the cycle. PCT then is far more mild, and you're back to normal faster. This is pretty much a new school of thought, working with the compounds and the feedback cycles of the body. If you find that your body converts to estrogen much too readily, then you'd want to bring an anti-e into the scene.

If you also add in IGF to the mix of your first cycle, at least 50-100mcg per day, I would expect you'd gain a little more size plus keeping most of your gains. Again, diet will be crucial.
That's interesting I've never thought about clomid being used like that
 
Welcome to MC, looks like your off to a great start, good to see people listening out there. This place has all the info you'll need now and in the future.
 
Welcome to MC!
Bigz is right in his comments.
Lots to consider before you begin.
What are your goals? Competing?
 
Welcome to MC!
Bigz is right in his comments.
Lots to consider before you begin.
What are your goals? Competing?
about the clomid? and my goals are that i would like to compete and go as far as i can. and ya i want to absorb all the knowledge i can before i start.
 
welcome, there is a lot of information on here for you and don't be scared to start more threads if you have specific questions, unlike some boards they will get answered and not with BS responses.
 
I was 5 lbs heavier at 5'9" at 22 and started using gear (albeit a pro-hormone) around that time. I wish I had waited. Nobody in the world could have convinced me otherwise, but I guess I'm just going to say it anyway.

If you are going to do it, get incredibly lean first and you won't have that aromatization issue you are worried about.

Also, my goals were to be a pro before my first cycle too LOL. Don't set huge goals like that. Just decide you want to get bigger and stronger and see how you like it. Take things day to day.
 
welcome bro.
realy intersting school of thought on the clomid..defo food for thought right there..might drop it end neear the end of cycle then pct with nolva..
 
Welcome and if you ever have any questions there's plenty of useful info here and knowledgeable guys here to steer you in the right direction
 
Welcome future......young ass whipper snapper.... 22 geezzzz I wish I was that age again and found this forum and MC IGF....you're going to find that this is the best BB forum out there with great members to get advice from or share with....
 
yeah you young guys got it made with the internet and these boards now days, I know i didnt have this shit, well we had 'The Renegade" and UGsupplements board. those were a couple fo the first of this kind back in 1996ish i think,lol, and we started MC in 1999, but before that we just had 2 boards and it was like the wild wild west, you could buy anything at all without worry about shit! Things have changed a lot in that regard, lol.

anyways welcome again bro and yeah u look like a big boy for being 21 yrs old, i was still chasing pussy and liquor at 21 years old,
 
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