Non Aromaztizing Gear

[Buffalo]

I've gotten the OK from my wife if I decide to use gear. I already plan on using IGF to get use to sticking myself for a while. She knows I'll take all the necessary precautions and do my research well but one thing that she brought up that does not want to happen is anything interfering with libido or anything to do with shrinkage. No sex, no gear

From reading on some profiles and talking to a few people there are some non aromatizing gear that can add lean mass alone. But I still haven't met someone or read about someone just using those alone. Does anyone have any experience with just Primo, Para or Halo and still adding mass?

 

[Presser]

I've gotten the OK from my wife if I decide to use gear. I already plan on using IGF to get use to sticking myself for a while. She knows I'll take all the necessary precautions and do my research well but one thing that she brought up that does not want to happen is anything interfering with libido or anything to do with shrinkage. No sex, no gear

From reading on some profiles and talking to a few people there are some non aromatizing gear that can add lean mass alone. But I still haven't met someone or read about someone just using those alone. Does anyone have any experience with just Primo, Para or Halo and still adding mass?

Nah I dont but i know some guys from years ago who use to just use stuff like winny, or primo or deca and they packed on pretty nice gains without any sides that i know of.

 

[Chris250]

just start out with low dose test...say 250mg once per week for 8 weeks...add in some MC IGF and you will make killer gains...plus sides will be very low, if you have any at all...

 

[Buffalo]

just start out with low dose test...say 250mg once per week for 8 weeks...add in some MC IGF and you will make killer gains...plus sides will be very low, if you have any at all...

THat was my original idea with Test and adding dbol in the beginning. My source said that even at about 400mg a week for 8 weeks cycle will get some good gains, not as well as 12 weeks but with low if any side effects. Does this sound right?

 

[The Dude]

Aromatization is usually only a concern at higher doses. Personally I don't have to worry about aromatization induced sides. As Chris said a low dose of Test is a pretty safe bet add IGF and the gains will only be limited by how well you ear and how fast your body physically can add tissue. Low doses are where it's at.

 

[big in vegas]

I'd say whether you went with 250 or 400mg a week you'll make killer gains. I personally wouldn't throw dbol in just yet if this is your very first cycle. As for using just primo, para or halo, I've never heard of anyone using just those without some test

 

[Buffalo]

Thanks for the replies, lots of good stuff. I'm going to wait to hopefully get my bonus in the next few weeks so I can get my hands on some IGF and look into some gear.

The health concerns are always there but I know my wife and I are more concerned about libido. My buddy sent me this over for a first time test cycle:

1-10 Weeks:
Test Enanthate 400mg a week

1-15 Weeks:
Nolvadex 20mg a day

14 days after last shot:
Day 1 300mg Clomid
Day 2-10 100mg Clomid
Day 11-21 50mg Clomid

I'm guessing by reading the profile on Enanthate that the reason you start the Clomid 14 days after last shot is because the length of the ester.

 

[haverhillguy]

Correct... long ester means you need time for the test to start clearing your system before the clomid begins its hpta restart.

However others more seasoned with pct should chime in here as i don't pct anymore and just go back on my trt.

 

[Presser]

well Buffalo I thought testosterone was totaly out of the question for you, but if your considering it, then i have to agree with everyone else and say Testosterone should be your main staple in all cycles, and as said above sides are low if done right, and u could always run some arimadex or letro to prevent the aromitization of testosterone to estrogen, and if you do have any aromitization then u jump on nolvadex real quick which will compete with free floating estrogen for the receptor and your sides would subside quickly on such a low dose if indeed u did get any, but i would go with the ari or letro as to stop the conversion to begin with daddio!

 

[Lightsout]

Thanks for the replies, lots of good stuff. I'm going to wait to hopefully get my bonus in the next few weeks so I can get my hands on some IGF and look into some gear.

The health concerns are always there but I know my wife and I are more concerned about libido. My buddy sent me this over for a first time test cycle:

1-10 Weeks:
Test Enanthate 400mg a week

1-15 Weeks:
Nolvadex 20mg a day

14 days after last shot:
Day 1 300mg Clomid
Day 2-10 100mg Clomid
Day 11-21 50mg Clomid

I'm guessing by reading the profile on Enanthate that the reason you start the Clomid 14 days after last shot is because the length of the ester.

why is he having you run the clomid so high.. I was always told to run 50mgs for the first 2 weeks and 25mgs for the last to weeks.. Just asking ?

 

[Buffalo]

well Buffalo I thought testosterone was totaly out of the question for you, but if your considering it, then i have to agree with everyone else and say Testosterone should be your main staple in all cycles, and as said above sides are low if done right, and u could always run some arimadex or letro to prevent the aromitization of testosterone to estrogen, and if you do have any aromitization then u jump on nolvadex real quick which will compete with free floating estrogen for the receptor and your sides would subside quickly on such a low dose if indeed u did get any, but i would go with the ari or letro as to stop the conversion to begin with daddio!

My wife is just worried of nuts shriveling up, lol. I'm all nuts bro.

 

[Buffalo]

why is he having you run the clomid so high.. I was always told to run 50mgs for the first 2 weeks and 25mgs for the last to weeks.. Just asking ?

Beats me. Anyone else think that's high?

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Beats me. Anyone else think that's high?

Yes. That's way too much clomid.

 

[Buffalo]

well Buffalo I thought testosterone was totaly out of the question for you, but if your considering it, then i have to agree with everyone else and say Testosterone should be your main staple in all cycles, and as said above sides are low if done right, and u could always run some arimadex or letro to prevent the aromitization of testosterone to estrogen, and if you do have any aromitization then u jump on nolvadex real quick which will compete with free floating estrogen for the receptor and your sides would subside quickly on such a low dose if indeed u did get any, but i would go with the ari or letro as to stop the conversion to begin with daddio!

Doing a little more research; how would you run ari and letro? I read up on generic forms of them, are they any better than the name brand?

 

[Buffalo]

Yes. That's way too much clomid.

50mg sound better?

 

[Lightsout]

50mg sound better?

I think you would be better off at 50mgs a day Bro..

 

[mkdk]

I never take more than 25mg clomid and it works for me. Thing is clomid just as as Lh hormone giving the testicles the signal to produce. Hell if your so worried about your nuts shrinking just take the clomid with the test the entire time. Your testicles will keep producing along with the exogenous Test. If your nipples become sensitive then you have to much and back off. Your nips should not be sensitive like a bitches

 

[big in vegas]

50mg would probably be the highest I'd go.