OK!!Now I'm Scared Sh*tless To Try Tren Or Deca!!!!

[rooster1]

After my post of doing a tren only first cycle,I now know that deca and tren cause progesterone;and there's nothing you can do about it.I thought these were text book cycles.How many of you are getting this kind of gyno.Cause I sure as hell don't want it.And wouldn't be worth it even if I had to give up the idea of trying AS at all(which isn't going to happen)This was going to be my first cycle:
T200 3ml/wk 1-10
deca 400mg/wk 1-10
winny 50mg/ed 7-12
liquid and clomid a given.
I want to gain some serious mass especially being my first cycle.And would really like to try tren in a cycle after but first things first is the deca that much of a risk?How many have done a cycle like the one above with excellent results/worst results!?
Is there an equal alternative for a mass cycle.Could someone suggest an excellent mass cycle w/o deca or tren if they are that dangerous.

Would a test only cycle at slightly higher doses give good mass?

 

[dedprez*]

bro...in my eyes...EQ is much better than deca and that would b a great cycle...t200/eq/winny....at the same dosages as u have written above.....and remember to eat!!what r your stats as of right now???what r your goals?

 

[CoachK On Roids]

Most cases of pro-gyno occur when higher doses of deca, drol, or tren are used. I've used deca and tren several times and have never had a problem. I would never use the two simultaneously though.

 

[rooster1]

Well,my stats are like this,I am 6'2",32 years old.8 wks ago I was at 248 and about 18% bf(guess).Now I am at 216 lbs.Kinda' proud of myself since dieting isn't my strong point and I haven't lost too much muscle.Now my goal is to gain mass and get back to 270-280 at around 10-12% bf(265 is my heaviest at around 12% bf).I know I won't accomplish this with first cycle but 20-30 lbs. mass would be great!test/deca/winny looked like great cookie cutter cycle for this but wondering what %,chance of progesterone is involved with deca since milk should be on the way.Is it relatively safe or a big gamble?Is EQ as good for mass.There seems to be so many using deca and tren but don't hear much about them getting gyno......how 'bout it bros.......

 

[Gear101*]

bump at prez

 

[BStrongBwell*]

I did have some issues with deca's shorter chain brother, durabolin(200/EOD) and tren(80/EOD). I dropped the durabolin and the issues went away. I won't mix the two again, but like you've already read, it doesn't botther everyone that way. I've used tren with EQ and ho no issues though.

 

[bigjosh]

I got gyno after a cycle of tren. I was taking 75-112.5mg ED, but the gyno didn't start until nearly 8 weeks after usage??? I don't get it. I started taking up to 60mg of nolv ED, and clomid and it wouldn't help either. The pain of it growing went on for about 2 months, then I eventually started taking arimidex at 1mg ED and that did nothing so I starting taking 5mg Arim ED and it stopped after about ten days and shrunk the marble sized rock hard lump into a pea sized lump. I know that is an extreme doseage but I was willing to do anything to stop it. I was about to inject my liquidex into the lump, but the heavy oral doseage worked.

 

[rooster1]

Thanks dudes!I think I'll stick with the test/deca/winny cycle this time around since doses aren't too high and keep a close eye on it.For the mass cycle II,if I want to include tren,I will have EQ instead of deca.So would look something like this:
T200 3ml/wk 1-10
EQ 400mg/wk 1-10
fina 75mg/eod 1-12
winny 50mg/ed 7-12
If I eat enough calories and protein and manage my post cycle correctly,bridging the two cycles should get me near my goals.Then of couse I'll do some sort of cutting cycle and have to bulk again.But that sounds like a solid plan of course.Thanks guys.

 

[mailboxkillR]

rooster I'm just finishing the test deca winny cycle in a week and ahalf before I got sick with kidney stones I was up 27lbs mostly all lean mass too you'll like it

 

[rooster1]

Yes....think I will continue with that.I kicked around the idea of a tren only cycle for awhile because legally it is easier to get and that kicked off the conversation of pro-gyno.Napalm brought it up and I know he knows his sh*t ,which gave me some concern.So I've made up my mind to do this,but safety comes first and I couldn't figure out that if deca and tren are that prone to gyno why they would be so popular.So it has to be with high dosages and watched for individually and I will never do the two together.I think milk is on the way.Everything lookin' good.Thanks to all involved.You know who you are.I'm thinking about posting b4 pictures but don't know how.Can one of the mods post them for me?

 

[mr456]

Bigjosh...I just read your post and don't understand a few things
1. If you got gyno from Tren its PRO-gesterone gyno which Nolv and Arimidex will do NOTHING for. So why take them?
2. Were you still on Tren after the gyno started?
If you got progesterone gyno from tren...your best medicine would have been to get off the Tren and it should have stopped right there! If you continued to have gyno symptoms 2 months after discontinuing Tren use....you have a quite unique situation my friend. Progesterone induced gyno AFTER the use of Tren is quite uncommon actually its almost scientifically impossible!! Tren is so fast acting that the discontinuation of it will almost certainly 99.9% of the time stop the gyno from occuring. As for staying on Tren after the gyno started...you should have been taking winstrol at 50mg ED at least. Sorry for all the questions but your post just seemed to have a lot of weird things in it bro.........456