Bro the thing that makes you ache is the drying out effect that winny give you. your joints will take a hit but it might not be that bad. Though I would save the Winny and try and get some test. Sust is a great test product and has worked great for me. But to maximize the the effect of sust eod injectoins are a must because of the different esters that kick in and last for different times. For best results with any test, levels shoud be kept stable as much as possible. Test cyp and enanthate would be a good choice too. And then after you get done a test cycle, in****erate the winny with some test prop. As with any test product ,post treatment drugs should be used, such as clomid and nolvadex, thats just 2 although there are many more. Check out the drug profiles list and it will help you understand the cause and effect of these drugs.