Pain killers pre-workout?

[jrtlover]

I would say he knows a little about it from what he says about
sucking the coating off the 80mg Oxy's. this shit is no joke and it's
the same as doing herion

Um I know that's why I was asking cuz I couldn't tell if he was joking. If he's doing that, he's headed to an early grave. There are SO many body builders who abuse drugs or have in the past. It's like an epidemic or something among them. God if I had a nickel for every bb I've met online or in person who's had or does have a drug problem I could probably buy a new hybrid or something.
When people do this kind of thing, a part of them at the very LEAST is depressed and suicidal. Gotta get close to death sometimes before you wake up and realize how easy it is to die from this shit, in an instant. On stuff that's weaker too. You gotta see the bottom of hell sometimes before you can make your way up and ask for help. Unless you're dead.

 

[jrtlover]

You know talking about this, I get the old craving, I'm sure you all know that feeling, when you talk about it long enough or it comes up into conversation you sometimes have that little craving at the back of your mind. The sweet oblivion, the numbing of emotional pain, cuz that's really what we're doing. The physical pain is just the catalyst.
Yeah, God made poppy fields for a reason, as well as marijuana. We have these plants for medicinal purposes for a good reason, nature wanted to make sure we DID have something to help with true injury and true pain. But not abuse.

 

[The Dude]

When I was younger I'd take 5 or 6 Vicodin or Percocet before going out instead of drinking, but it was a rarity. When my buddy got hooked on Oxy's he was always trying to get me to snort one. Thank god I never did. I refuse to take any painkiller and train. I want to feel everything. If I'm too sore or hurt I stay my ass home. Bodybuilding is the only thing I have 100% control over and I'm not giving any of that control up.

 

[jrtlover]

My best friend dropped dead 3 years ago due to a freak reaction to Wellbutrin and Nicorette gum. The combination for some reason killed him. Unheard of in medicine, I'm just saying, chemicals are dangerous, no matter what they are. I get a major scolding if I go over my dose of Klonapin at night. There's been many times my psych has told my mom to lock up my meds and she doles them out when I need them. She also hides her wine. You just cannot abuse this stuff.

 

[NAIR]

I love pizza

 

[jrtlover]

I'm prescribed 2 mgs of klonopin a day; I often take 1; many times I take 5-6

Yeah klonnies are hard to keep yourself from munching down like m and m's. Please, stop taking 5-6. My highest allowed dose was 4 but my doctor didn't like that mixing with valium so now I take 2mg pills, 3 of them. So 6 mgs total. I'm also on 1600 mgs of Seroquel at night, which is rough, sometimes I have trouble swallowing or breathing. If I'm SUPER agitated I'll take a few more valium but with my insurance they won't just automatically refill when I'm out, I have to wait a month to get a full refill so that means I can't do that or I'm shit outta luck and go through withdrawal. If I'm going to have wine with my valium, and that's when I'm only REALLY upset and other tactics I've learned in therapy don't help, my mother rations the amount of wine I get. I'm very blessed to have her.
I did learn a cool pose/stretch/breathing technique that you hold for 5 breaths that works almost as well as valium and much quicker. Brings you down immediately if you're going off the emotional charts. Also I'm supposed to stick my hands in some ice if I feel the urge to self injure, that works. But the pose/breathing thing almost puts me to sleep when I do it. I wish I could show it or describe it better. You kinda have to see it to learn it. Works immediately.

 

[NAIR]

I love pizza

 

[jrtlover]

Yeah I'm starting the tapering proccess woth klomopin beginning April 1st. Before i was using a ton prescriptions (zoloft, klono, and ambien). Done witth the Ambien and the klonopin is next to go. I just don't need the stuff anymore. As long as I don't drink alcohol and stay away from caffiene my anxiety is almost completly controlable. I take a baby dose of zolft (50mgs) and that doesx the trick.

I still enjoy the opiats though--from time to time

Good for you! Going off your meds slowly! That's great! I really REALLY wish I could do that, but I'm too sick, my illness is too severe. I go off meds and all hell breaks loose. When I'm on the right ones I'm usually just fine most of the time. Off, ugh. Bad things. Very bad.
I take 8 prescriptions. All are necessary. Talk about freaking draining. The sides suck, I feel polluted, I do lots of cleansing and detoxing my body cuz of all these meds, I use a lot of natural cleansing herbs, etc. I HATE these chemicals in my brain. To give you an idea of how severe my illness is, at a couple different points meds didn't do SHIT and they had to give me electro-shock therapy. It was that or die. They only use ECT as a last resort. Good things from it though. Bad things too. Memory sucks, I've lost a few IQ points, hard to concentrate.
Watch One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with Jack Nicholson and you'll see ECT.

 

[The Dude]

Good for you! Going off your meds slowly! That's great! I really REALLY wish I could do that, but I'm too sick, my illness is too severe. I go off meds and all hell breaks loose. When I'm on the right ones I'm usually just fine most of the time. Off, ugh. Bad things. Very bad.
I take 8 prescriptions. All are necessary. Talk about freaking draining. The sides suck, I feel polluted, I do lots of cleansing and detoxing my body cuz of all these meds, I use a lot of natural cleansing herbs, etc. I HATE these chemicals in my brain. To give you an idea of how severe my illness is, at a couple different points meds didn't do SHIT and they had to give me electro-shock therapy. It was that or die. They only use ECT as a last resort. Good things from it though. Bad things too. Memory sucks, I've lost a few IQ points, hard to concentrate.
Watch One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with Jack Nicholson and you'll see ECT.

It seems like you're doing well. That's a terrible condition. I was diagnosed with clinical depression and some other crap (I think everyone has what I have), but 20mg Celexa, 20mg of valium, and 10mg of ambien and I'm fine now. I remember what it was like pre-medication. It was hell and I never want to feel like that again. BTW, not to say you arent , but its hard to believe that you are 225 after looking at your pic.

 

[mickdoo]

If you abuse pain pills, you will be sorry. As far as using them pre workout or post workout you will NEVER achieve your true potential. First off opiates destroy T levels in the body. Secondly, used long enough your brain's neurotransmitters change. Pain pills are physchoactive drugs meaning they literally alter your brain. But don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself, suffer the consequences then you can formulate your own opinion.

 

[h8tr3d]

Im totally kidding about the OC's preworkout, lol. I dont fuck with them, or anything really except for some occassional grass.

 

[Get_Swole]

I wouldnt do any kind of pain pill pre workout. I wanna feel everything possible so i know if i push too far.

 

[Crazymank]

I had to take vicoden for the last month to get through my workouts. I didnt like it, i got off of it as soon as i could.

Not just cause of the addiction, Not just cause of the un-known effects with the combination of other drugs im on, but because i didnt want to make my injury worst because i didnt notice how bad the pain was. For instance, i tried front squats last week. It was the first time i've had any weight on my back since i messed it up. If i was on pain killers i might have done 4 to 5 sets. But after the first rep, at the bottom, i felt a pretty good jolt of pain that told me to rack the weight and move on to something else. -call me a pussy, but why? im not stepping on stage, im not going to break any records, Whats the point? Id rather heal and squat again another day.

 

[The Deuce]

There is no way because of my conditions (gad, mild agoraphobia, panic disorder, and PTSD..) that I could EVER envision myself without the aid of Benzodiazipines .. I just can't.. I just got bumped up again today.. 4 lorazepam 1mgs per day, and 3-10mg diazepams per day... (valium prevents the attacks, ativans slam quickly IN CASE of one)... Much Respect to whomever can get away from the Benzo pull..

 

[jrtlover]

There is no way because of my conditions (gad, mild agoraphobia, panic disorder, and PTSD..) that I could EVER envision myself without the aid of Benzodiazipines .. I just can't.. I just got bumped up again today.. 4 lorazepam 1mgs per day, and 3-10mg diazepams per day... (valium prevents the attacks, ativans slam quickly IN CASE of one)... Much Respect to whomever can get away from the Benzo pull..

Seriously, I'm amazed at people who can come off them and be ok. I practically die if I'm not on them. Hey Deuce they ever put you on a mega dose of Seroquel? That's the stuff that makes me sleep, benzo's don't make me sleepy at all unless I have booze with them. Which I don't anymore. My doc hates atavan, she says it's too dangerous to get hooked on because they slam into effect so quickly. People get hooked on that super fast downer. I tried atavan a few times and it did nothing for me. Klonapin is where it's at for me, I don't feel the valium but like you they prevent the attacks. But NOTHING gets me high or makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I'm just too immune to that effect. I doubt even heroin would get me high at this point. I've been on these meds for so many years the "fun" part of them is totally gone at this point. Only thing that makes me warm and fuzzy is vodka. And that's reallllly bad when you're trying to build muscle.

 

[jimijimi]

If you abuse pain pills, you will be sorry. As far as using them pre workout or post workout you will NEVER achieve your true potential. First off opiates destroy T levels in the body. Secondly, used long enough your brain's neurotransmitters change. Pain pills are physchoactive drugs meaning they literally alter your brain. But don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself, suffer the consequences then you can formulate your own opinion.

Very true bro, juicing wasen't even helping with my Test levels.

 

[thegymrat102271]

Nubain got pretty big at one time but it didnt take long before the guys using it, to stop pumping iron and only pumping the nubain. It was bad news.

 

[Cruel.intention]

ive never liked pills really. ive read that even OTC killers like tylenol can help workouts by delaying lactic acid buildup. for me, the natural endorphins released during a workout override any OTC benefits.

Bad idea Tylenol causes some steps of the process in muscle growth to fail. I never use Tylenol for anything any pain you think it removes is a placebo it does more harm then good.

 

[Cruel.intention]

I tried tramadol pre-workout it improves the workout so much. I feel like I can concentrate better (I HAVE ADD) do more and really push myself. I was interested if anyone ever try Nalbuphine/Nubian pre workout did it really work? Since it has both an agonist and antagonist properties its quick weak so I don't know how people can get "high" on it. If you ever tried it what were the dose and the experience?

 

[NAIR]

I love pizza