ProG induced Gyno and Next Cycle

[Bignick]

okay i have some progesterone induced gyno and its flared up quite a bit here in the past day or two.....so my question is what do you think i should do? Should i run my b-6 for a couple weeks before starting my winny/eq/prop cycle? And most of all woulod you run nolva,fem,or liq-dex during cycle? I know none of the ancillaries helped my situation, thats why i am posotive it is PG induced gyno. But i would think the nolva would keep the estrogen levels suppressed and therefore it couldn't produce the progesterone to make my titties milk like a heffer!!!

 

[Bignick]

And oh yeah....has anyone heard of taking the ru486, abortion pill for pro G gyno, its effects on progesterone levels is what causes the miscarrage for a women, so i would assume that it would work, but it just sounds creepy and dangerous to me!

 

[ProfitsWorld]

Bro im fed up with this bull shit gyno... Mine has been flareing up and what pisses me off no matter how lean you get 6-5-4-3% body fat it still doesnt cut it.......... Mine has been acting up and its just annoying....... I am so pissed off with it that its time now and im getting ready to go in and have the Doc cut it out.... Just about every guy I have seen, pro or guy in the gym all have it.... Very common but its fucking annoying as shit..... I want to just rip it out my self!!!!!! Fuck it bro im ready for this shit to be cut out and done with so ill never see it.... A chest is what makes a man and if you dont have a chest then the rest will look like shit..

 

[crank]

okay i have some progesterone induced gyno and its flared up quite a bit here in the past day or two.....so my question is what do you think i should do? Should i run my b-6 for a couple weeks before starting my winny/eq/prop cycle?

What would taking B-6 do?

 

[brew]

b6 is thought to lower progesterone. Well Nick, if you feel its from progesterone then bromo or b6 is what you need. I would say on this cycle an aromatoase inhibitor would be best (since none of the above will directly raise your progesterone levels like deca/tren), but it will not control what you already got, for that you might have to stay on the b6

 

[Bignick]

yeah thats what i was thinking, but in order for progesterone to exist doesnt an ample amount of estrogen have to be as well. So if i used an aromatase inhibitor it would starve the progesterone so to say? In other words if i kept my e's low during cycle wouldnt it have a better chance of the proG gyno i already have from flaring up?


And from what i have been told....winny is very helpful at combating progesterone problems

 

[little big guy]

You got it bro!

 

[Cannons]

yeah thats what i was thinking, but in order for progesterone to exist doesnt an ample amount of estrogen have to be as well. So if i used an aromatase inhibitor it would starve the progesterone so to say? In other words if i kept my e's low during cycle wouldnt it have a better chance of the proG gyno i already have from flaring up?


And from what i have been told....winny is very helpful at combating progesterone problems

Yes to all of the above, and get some dostinex, it works wonders with no negative sides. Its pricey but worth it.

 

[Bignick]

yeah cannons i was looking at it and will probably get it. But didn't you say that dostinex helped but when it was discontinued the problem is back? I may be off on my info here, i saw it posted somewhere, so if this isn't true then correct me PLEASE! thanks brudda

 

[w000dy]

Why not just run a quarter of a 1mg pill of Arimidex every other day during your cycle? From what I've read about it, there are no negative side effects what so ever.

 

[brew]

Why not just run a quarter of a 1mg pill of Arimidex every other day during your cycle? From what I've read about it, there are no negative side effects what so ever.

Number one, thats a exceptionally light dose and wouldn't be enough IMO. Number 2 fem ia a much better armotase inhibitor not to mention more cost effective. I have gotten gyno on 1 mg ED of dex, switched to 1.5 of fem and had no moe troubles.

I should read more carefully Nick, I didn't see the winny in the equation, which should take care of it, but I'm still gonna let my post up so you can see my easoning.

Nick, I beleive you are right about the relationship between est and prog. I mean its makes sense, there are many that can run deca/tren with only an inhibitor or blocker like nolv so there must be a direct relation ship between the levels of the two hormones. So, you should be ok, but My thinking here is yes, nolv/ fem may keep your progesterone levels from rising when the test armotatizes to estrogen( which prog induced shouldn't be an issue with the gear you chose), but what about your pre-existing condition? If your having trouble now with only your natural estrogen level raising your progesterone levels, then its a good chance you will have troubles in this cycle. The anti's will help to keep estrogen low, but they won't eliminate it, so you have potential to have an increase in progesterone levels and since you are sensitive to prog, you MAY have another flare/continuation of the gyno you have now. Make sense? Maybe I'm wrong here, but I wouldn't chance it without the b6, or at least have it close.

 

[Cannons]

yeah cannons i was looking at it and will probably get it. But didn't you say that dostinex helped but when it was discontinued the problem is back? I may be off on my info here, i saw it posted somewhere, so if this isn't true then correct me PLEASE! thanks brudda

I was still on dostinex, it just hadn't kicked in yet fully. The problem is gone now, I am off of it now. It works bro.

 

[brew]

Hey cannons. whats disonex? I've heard of it before, but I can't remember, give me a refresher please.

 

[Cannons]

Hey cannons. whats disonex? I've heard of it before, but I can't remember, give me a refresher please.

Dostinex (cabergoline) is an anti prolactin. It inhibits prolactin to normal levels without side effects. It is clinically used in males with hyperprolactemia, and in females during the end of pregnancy and after breast feeding so that they can stop producing milk (for some woman it can be extreme and painful). Its good for combating deca and tren induced gyno where you have leakage and tumor growth (bitch tit). It will shrink the bitch tit and stop lactation. Nonclinically speaking, for males, it makes orgasms more intense and allows you to have multiple orgasms. I speak from experience on this. You will be able to go at it 5-10 minutes after your done the first time, its great!

 

[Bignick]

okay i know that cannons is a big Progesterone buff so while he is in this thread i gotta pick his brain.


so my question to you is that if im taking b6@300mg/day and im going to take 10mg of nolva a day straight through this cycle. It will look like this


Weeks 1-8

150mg Test prop/EOD
50mg winstol tab/day
600mg EQ/EOD (you think thats too much? i was thinking maybe 400?)
10mg nolvades/day
------------------------------------------------
totals per week
600mg test propionate
200mg winstrol
600mg EQ
70mg Nolvadex

so my question is that do you think that with the weekly totals here and the nolva all the way through i should have any problems with this....I have some bromo on the way and the use of nolva i think should keep the acting estrogens down so there is no flaring up of my milkers. I am posting a thread about winstrol if you havent already read it, which explains a little about winny and its anit-progesterone effect.

If i do have an instance of the boobies flaring up....what would you recomend doing.....i am familiar with the pct steps needed....but i really dont know what to do mid cycle if problems do occur. Dostinex or bromo wouldn't and shouldn't be used during cycle right? I would think that could create some serious problems....but i am sure you are talking pct...so should that mean that i stop the cycle?

 

[Cannons]

okay i know that cannons is a big Progesterone buff so while he is in this thread i gotta pick his brain.


so my question to you is that if im taking b6@300mg/day and im going to take 10mg of nolva a day straight through this cycle. It will look like this


Weeks 1-8

150mg Test prop/EOD
50mg winstol tab/day
600mg EQ/EOD (you think thats too much? i was thinking maybe 400?)
10mg nolvades/day
------------------------------------------------
totals per week
600mg test propionate
200mg winstrol
600mg EQ
70mg Nolvadex

so my question is that do you think that with the weekly totals here and the nolva all the way through i should have any problems with this....I have some bromo on the way and the use of nolva i think should keep the acting estrogens down so there is no flaring up of my milkers. I am posting a thread about winstrol if you havent already read it, which explains a little about winny and its anit-progesterone effect.

If i do have an instance of the boobies flaring up....what would you recomend doing.....i am familiar with the pct steps needed....but i really dont know what to do mid cycle if problems do occur. Dostinex or bromo wouldn't and shouldn't be used during cycle right? I would think that could create some serious problems....but i am sure you are talking pct...so should that mean that i stop the cycle?

You can use dostinex and bromo during cycle, in fact its recommended. Alot of people CAN'T use bromo and cycle at the same time because bromo is so harsh. Dostinex however is side effect free and can be used comfortably throughout cycle. I would raise the prop to 200mg eod, keep the eq at 600, or leave the prop and lower the eq to 500 (just my opinion, I like to keep test higher than the other compounds I'm using). Since you have problems with gyno in the past, you may try 20mg of nolva per day. Winny is an anti-progestinic so it will also help with that. I know the compounds you are using aren't likely to cause prog gyno, but I know that you are already battling it. I would recommend dostinex myself. I'm about to order some and take it for a few months off cycle. I think I really screwed my body up in my last cycle. My gyno is gone, but I get puffy nips sometimes and I can still get some fluid out. I only had 4 weeks worth of dostinex. Dostinex helps you in the bedroom too!! A good bonus. I hope I answered all of your questions............back to studying for me!!