Reagan/Obama (Just to give Ch3no a stroke lol oh an a few others as well)

[The Dude]

This whole thread illustrates what our Govt has been able to accomplish. People know things are bad, but so very few know the extent of the inequality and how heavily it favors the Entitlists. Have any of you looked at the Comparable Income levels that Welfare puts people at? Obama has given raise after raise. In some States its the equivalent of a 60k a year job!!

 

[The Dude]

When companies are allowed to have the same volume and fire half the staff even though they are "non profit organization" while the CEO gets over 4 million dollars when they LEAVE... It doesn't really help the unemployment rate. I know a ton of Radiographers that need work, and would be working if the jobs were there. I know Our numbers went up by 5% in 2013 than they fired 45% of our staff, creating horrible patient care, long waits, unsafe situations for workers and patients.
This is the things I see that irritate the shit out of me. The need for jobs is there, the revenue is there, however it's trending to make the executives more money and having less workers. This has been well documented as well.
Ch3no other than your opinion of "it's there company so they should be able to make how ever much they want", how do you feel about this? especially in health-care? In my eyes it's the peoples company when it is health care, not a non-medical cock in a tie.
I think this is a horrible thing that has been going on, and it continues to get worse.
I bet my ball sack that nationally (and soon) you will see in hospital careers - no more cert pay (extra pay for certifications, you earned through education and expenses), no more shift differential (who the hell wants to work 7pm-730am with no extra pay???), and no holiday pay. Also patient ratios will go up (how many patients per Nurse/staff) Which means I hope you don't care about anyone who is or will be sick and or injured.
Some of these things are already being seen in certain part of the countries and it is very pertinent to this whole thing, specified to healthcare , which accounts for a ton of jobs in this Country.

Here again, I see the issue as Govt. As you said Non Profit is bullshit. There should be no Govt intervention. They have no business meddling in business. They maintain an Army, interstates, and things of that nature. Not Healthcare, Business, Science, and SUPPORTING a population that refuses to support itself. The answer isn't in more regulation. Its in NONE! The Govt was meant to work at our calling... not the abomination it has become. We have thousands if not more that are paid six figures for giving their opinions! Representation should be an honor and a duty, not a lucrative career. Do you see where I'm going? Look one step up.

 

[Metal85]

This whole thread illustrates what our Govt has been able to accomplish. People know things are bad, but so very few know the extent of the inequality and how heavily it favors the Entitlists. Have any of you looked at the Comparable Income levels that Welfare puts people at? Obama has given raise after raise. In some States its the equivalent of a 60k a year job!!

It's not that I don't know what goes on, it's more or less just the 47% that I can't wrap my head around with logical, believable proof being absent. That is ridiculous btw with the 60k average...

 

[Metal85]

Here again, I see the issue as Govt. As you said Non Profit is bullshit. There should be no Govt intervention. They have no business meddling in business. They maintain an Army, interstates, and things of that nature. Not Healthcare, Business, Science, and SUPPORTING a population that refuses to support itself. The answer isn't in more regulation. Its in NONE! The Govt was meant to work at our calling... not the abomination it has become. We have thousands if not more that are paid six figures for giving their opinions! Representation should be an honor and a duty, not a lucrative career. Do you see where I'm going? Look one step up.

I mostly agree with this, however I feel like they need to make businesses not hav the same rights as citizens, and stop or heavily limit the outsourcing (which I know some of you hate to hear that, but too bad). Company's like AT&T could create so many damn jobs here, and no that wouldn't bankrupt them, they would still make tons of money. This can be said about countless other businesses, but it will always be defended with "Well a business should be able to make as much as they want blah blah" yeah that's great until where you are living is dwindling down to a pile of shit where the middle class can spend less and less money as the time goes by. The CEO of ATT's contribution to the economy is less than all the employees making money here in America, resulting them in spending the money here. Exported dollars mean devaluation of the dollar, which is what we have seen for so many different reasons, and in the scheme of things, this would most likely just be a small percent, but it still is a problematic contributor.

 

[The Dude]

I mostly agree with this, however I feel like they need to make businesses not hav the same rights as citizens, and stop or heavily limit the outsourcing (which I know some of you hate to hear that, but too bad). Company's like AT&T could create so many damn jobs here, and no that wouldn't bankrupt them, they would still make tons of money. This can be said about countless other businesses, but it will always be defended with "Well a business should be able to make as much as they want blah blah" yeah that's great until where you are living is dwindling down to a pile of shit where the middle class can spend less and less money as the time goes by. The CEO of ATT's contribution to the economy is less than all the employees making money here in America, resulting them in spending the money here. Exported dollars mean devaluation of the dollar, which is what we have seen for so many different reasons, and in the scheme of things, this would most likely just be a small percent, but it still is a problematic contributor.

I'll see this and raise you. Imagine if there were no tax incentives? Their were no Lobbyists for Big Business making it outrageously profitable for businesses to do this? You can't fix this with more regulation. Fundamentally it is a failure. Who has made it possible to bestow citizen rights on Corporations? Who makes the tax loop holes? Do you see? There is a natural order. There is NO WAY to perverse this for any length of time. The larger the role Govt plays in people's life is directly related in a historical sense to how quickly that Govt will fall and how badly its citizens will suffer. Look at the track record for Socialism and Communism... In some countries there's a new regime before the old one has time to change the signs!!
To bring this back on topic a bit Lol! Obama unapologetically opposes our Constitutional Rights and seems to think he can basically impose Socialism by Executive Order. Personally Constitutional Rights Violations are more pressing although no more damaging than the Pro Big Business Policies under Bush. The sound of Obama's voice enrages me. I literally scream at the television until I can find the remote and change it

 

[echo419]

imagine if people got what they earned and weren't punished for being successful and rewarded for being a failure. hhmmmmm

 

[Erabus]

Can we just get back to talkin about shit that helps us get huge, feel awesome, and look great??

 

[Metal85]

I'll see this and raise you. Imagine if there were no tax incentives? Their were no Lobbyists for Big Business making it outrageously profitable for businesses to do this? You can't fix this with more regulation. Fundamentally it is a failure. Who has made it possible to bestow citizen rights on Corporations? Who makes the tax loop holes? Do you see? There is a natural order. There is NO WAY to perverse this for any length of time. The larger the role Govt plays in people's life is directly related in a historical sense to how quickly that Govt will fall and how badly its citizens will suffer. Look at the track record for Socialism and Communism... In some countries there's a new regime before the old one has time to change the signs!!
To bring this back on topic a bit Lol! Obama unapologetically opposes our Constitutional Rights and seems to think he can basically impose Socialism by Executive Order. Personally Constitutional Rights Violations are more pressing although no more damaging than the Pro Big Business Policies under Bush. The sound of Obama's voice enrages me. I literally scream at the television until I can find the remote and change it

to narrow that down to the first thing you said. Tax incentives. I disagree.
Why bc there is a big corporation, the only way they will run is if they get it there way. The numbers are far too large for regular folk to comprehend, so it makes it seem more complex than it is.
Simplify it.
You have a lawn company, you make 10,000 a month, but will only stay in your County if they let you get a tax break. What would the specific County tell you? They would say tough shit, fuck off.
Large corporate structures always pull another move that regular folk can not comprehend, which also works. "Another Budget".
Ex. A hospital has zero dollars for raises, for correct amount of staff, for some equipment, than at the same time builds a building that goes over budget by 110 million dollars. They cut transporters (8.78/hr workers that make the whole hospital flow) But they go over that much, when asked why, it's another budget.
Simplified:
Your lawn company employs 20 workers and does 100 houses a day. All of a sudden you say you don't have the budget for 20 people anymore (although you have not lost any business) you cut 5 employees making each current employee do 20% more work, but now you are only able to accomplish 75 houses a day with longer days. The workers hate it, but even more so they hate that the same week of the cuts you put a 30k pool in your back yard. If you told them it came from a different budget, you would be shot.
As soon a numbers get large people are too intimidated to break it down. No huge tax incentives, and a free market means someone would do it more efficiently, but it's never even given a chance because the companies lobby their ways into reality.

About all the other stuff lol I love it. I'm not arguing with you guys in any way here, and the real people on here I love getting the different perceptions from all of you. Perception is everything, and I do like hearing the different views, especially Ch3no's because a lot of the time 75% of what he says I disagree with, than he will make some great point, or put something in a different light. (although I usually feel like him and I are arguing, im really not)

 

[Metal85]

adding this cool thing I just saw to this thread.
Erabus, no we talk about everything in a general thread
Echo, trust me I live it, that is not what I am advocating by any means. (I have stated that when I ripped my tricep tendon in 2 pieces. NO ASSISTANCE for me even though I was disabled from that for 4-5 months. Paid in since I was 16 with zero help, while many many ppl never work a day and get free wic, school, kid care etc, yeah fucking really annoying)


This is 24/7 Wall St.’s list of the richest U.S. presidents.

10. John Fitzgerald Kennedy
> Net worth: $1 billion (never inherited his father’s fortune)
> In office: 1961 to 1963
> 35th president
Kennedy was born into wealth and married into it. His father was one of the wealthiest men in America and the first chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission. His wife, too, was an oil heiress. Almost all of JFK’s income and property came from a trust shared with other family members.
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9. William Jefferson Clinton
> Net Worth: $55 million
> In office: 1993 - 2001
> 42nd president
Unlike other presidents, Clinton did not inherit any wealth and gained little net worth during 20 plus years of public service. After his time in the White House, however, he earned a substantial income as an author and public speaker. In 2005, Clinton earned a $15 million advance on his book “My Life.” Former Secretary Clinton's advance for her upcoming autobiography is expected to be nearly as much. In 2011, the former president was paid $750,000 alone to speak in Hong Kong for Ericsson. By 2012, the former president was estimated to have earned over $100 million. Secretary Clinton has started contributing to the family fortune since leaving office. It is reported that she earns more than $200,000 per speech.
8. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
> Net worth: $60 million
> In office: 1933 to 1945
> 32nd president
Roosevelt’s wealth came through inheritance and marriage. He owned the 800-acre Springwood estate, as well as properties in Georgia, Maine, and New York. In 1919, his mother had to bail him out of financial difficulty. He spent most of his adult life in public service. Before he was president, Roosevelt was appointed assistant secretary of the Navy by President Wilson.
7. Herbert Clark Hoover
> Net worth: $75 million
> In office: 1929 to 1933
> 31st president
An orphan, Hoover was raised by his uncle, a doctor. Hoover made a fortune as a mining company executive. He had a generous salary for 17 years and had extensive holdings in mining companies. Hoover donated his presidential salary to charity. He also owned “Hoover House” in Monterey, Calif.
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6. Lyndon Baines Johnson
> Net worth: $98 million
> In office: 1963 to 1969
> 36th president
Johnson’s father lost all the family’s money when LBJ was a boy. Over time, the 36th president had accumulated 1,500 acres in Blanco County, Texas, which included his home, called the Texas White House. He and his wife owned a radio and television station in Austin, Texas, and they had a variety of other moderate holdings, including livestock and private aircraft.
5. James Madison
> Net worth: $101 million
> In office: 1809 to 1817
> 4th president
Madison was the largest landowner in Orange County, Virginia. His land holding consisted of 5,000 acres and the Montpelier estate. He made significant wealth as Secretary of State and president. Madison lost money at the end of his life due to the steady financial collapse of his plantation.
4. Andrew Jackson
> Net worth: $119 million
> In office: 1829 to 1837
> 7th president
While he was considered to be in touch with the average middle-class American, Jackson quietly became one of the wealthiest presidents of the 1800s. “Old Hickory” married into wealth and made money in the military. His homestead, The Hermitage, included 1,050 acres of prime real estate. Over the course of his life, he owned as many as 300 slaves. Jackson entered considerable debt later in life.
3. Theodore Roosevelt
> Net worth: $125 million
> In office: 1901 to 1909
> 26th president
Born to a prominent and wealthy family, Roosevelt received a sizable trust fund. He lost most of his money on a ranching venture in the Dakotas and had to work as an author to pay the bills. Roosevelt spent most of his adult years in public service. His 235-acre estate, Sagamore Hill, now sits on some of the most valuable real estate in Long Island.
2. Thomas Jefferson
> Net worth: $212 million
> In office: 1801 to 1809
> 3rd president
Jefferson was left 3,000 acres and several dozen slaves by his father. Monticello, Jefferson's home on a 5,000-acre plantation in Virginia, was one of the architectural wonders of its time. He made considerable money in various political positions before becoming president, but he was mired in debt towards the end of his life.
1. George Washington
> Net worth: $525 million
> In office: 1789 to 1797
> 1st president
Washington's Virginia plantation, Mount Vernon, consisted of five separate farms on 8,000 acres of prime farmland run by more than 300 slaves. His wife, Martha, inherited significant property from her father. As president, Washington earned well more than subsequent presidents: his salary was 2% of the total U.S. budget in 1789.

 

[The Dude]

Awesome info! I really enjoyed it.

 

[dorian123]

yes I did not know that about Washington

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I mean I knew he had money but not that much

no wonder he was on that horse yelling the red coats are coming, the red coats are coming-at the time there was no such thing as off shore bank accounts and the red coats were coming to tax the shit out of him

 

[The Dude]

yes I did not know that about Washington

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I mean I knew he had money but not that much

no wonder he was on that horse yelling the red coats are coming, the red coats are coming-at the time there was no such thing as off shore bank accounts and the red coats were coming to tax the shit out of him

Lol! I literally spit my eggs out

 

[Metal85]

hahahahahaha thats great! I had no idea he had that type of money either. Must be nice making your own moonshine and all. I have watched quite a bit on him and didn't know that. I guess they skipped that part about his bank rolls lol