Test only, newbie cycle?

[Flexmaster]

Here is my reasoning behind this. You guys who have done test only cycles, how much muscle did you keep? I've never done a test only, but have seen many guys do a sust only cyles. I'll do a test and eq cycle, and when were done, I KEEP MORE MUSCLE. It just might be my body, but I really think it has to do with the eq/deca/whatever the other is, hardening up what you've put on with the test. Yes it makes sense to start with just test, to see the gyno situation, etc. However, deca or eq will give gyno in maybe 1 out of 10,000 people if that, very rare. Also, I know you have nolv on hand, but why wait for the possiblity of gyno? get some a-dex so you don't hurt you cycle if you ave to hit the nolv. Thats just the way I see it though.

that is why i say do a longer medium dose cycle, because your body has to accept this newly added weight as being permanent. yeah, you will lose some of the weight (water retention, muscle...) but you will not be unhappy wiht how much you gained. my first cycle was test only and i put on about 25 pounds total. after i was done i lost about 10 of it, mostly water, some muscle. but i was still quite pleased with how far i came. in the end it really is up to the person.

on another note- brew, i like discussing this with you. i've been to many boards where people dissagree and it's flamefest city. the maturity of this board and it's members is refreshing.

 

[brew]

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on another note- brew, i like discussing this with you. i've been to many boards where people dissagree and it's flamefest city. the maturity of this board and it's members is refreshing. [/B][/QUOTE]

Bump that. I get tired of seeing that on other boards.

 

[jaywooly]

Now brew, in another thread you stated that you think a test only cycle is a "complete waste." I don't think you beleive that, perhaps your passion for a EQ or deca stack got the best of you.

If I'm wrong, please correct me.

I'm in agreement with you that yes, a Test/EQ or Test/Deca with results in better gains. But on the same token, doing 1 gram of test EW your first go-round will result in better gains than doing 500mgs EW. That doesn't make it right though.

For a beginer, I don't think it's necessary to spend the extra money on another drug. You will get probably your best gains, if done correctly, your first cycle. Keep it simple. You need something to build up to.

 

[Flexmaster]

the way i like to think of it is like stairs. each cycle is a step. the first stair (in my opinion) should be test only. then you can go to stacking, or slightly higher dose test, or longer cycle...on the second and so on. but if you go from stair 1 to stair 5 you miss out on a lot of muscle you would have gained if you would have not gotten greedy early. if you think about it, over the course of say 5 cycles, a person should be able to retain 10lbs of muscle each cycle. but if they go from 500mg/wk of test on their first cycle, to a gram a week on thier second they won't keep nearly as much as they would have if they built thier way up to a gram. they might put on like 40 lbs, but how much of it will they keep?

 

[saturn1]

I cant believe you MEN say those are too many injects.....Come on now!!! one inject ...ten injects so freakin what!?!?!?! He will get good clean gains on his first cycle with 100mg EOD. Little to no bloating and just real gains. If the inject bug anyone then they should be in the game becuase that shouldnt be an issue in determining the cycle.

 

[Willieman]

I cant believe you MEN say those are too many injects.....Come on now!!! one inject ...ten injects so freakin what!?!?!?! He will get good clean gains on his first cycle with 100mg EOD. Little to no bloating and just real gains. If the inject bug anyone then they should be in the game becuase that shouldnt be an issue in determining the cycle.

EOD on Prop?what if the dose was even smaller?

 

[jaywooly]

EOD on Prop?what if the dose was even smaller?

Yes, I think he means prop. I think any less than 100mgs EOD is going to be borderline useless.

CYPHON, I agree that injects shouldn't determine someone's cycle (completely). You just have to keep in mind that ED or EOD injects get to be very time consuming. Don't get me wrong, those are pretty much all I do but for a newbie, why prop when enanthate will work just as well and it's much easier to do?

 

[saturn1]

I just remeber being a newb (16 years old) and sticking my self with 1ml of sten eod without hesitation and I didnt even have the benefit of injection info or internet back then.....I just dont think its an issue nor is it time consuming. It takes what?......5-10 minutes to stick urself?

 

[jaywooly]

Yes, 10 minutes usually. This is really reaching but what if he has to conceal it from a parent or a live-in GF? For a 10 week cycle EOD injects would mean 35 injects. Now on the other hand, twice a week injects would equal only 20 injects total. More injects, more chance of mommy or the old lady to walk-in. Plus, I don't care to sneak around any more than I have to. That's 150 extra minutes of injection processes.

So my thing is, WHY? Why when enanthate and prop will yeild just about the same gains in the long run?

 

[Flexmaster]

if you preload the syringes for the week, it'll take you 5 minutes MAX.

 

[saturn1]

The point is he asked about PROP. Prop will kick in faster less water retention, cleaner gains and the two extra injects a week is NOTHING! With all the info now he can make a good choice.

 

[Willieman]

The point is he asked about PROP. Prop will kick in faster less water retention, cleaner gains and the two extra injects a week is NOTHING! With all the info now he can make a good choice.

when talking about every other day, is that a true every other day...m,w,f,s,t,t,s, or can you get along with m, w, f..skip sat ands sun?
For me the injects are nothing, I am already doing the IGF ED..I know slin pins, but still.Prop seems like a better way to go also since the time it takes to get in and out of the system is shorter.I guess if you need to get off the gear for health or any other reason,you would be cleared out a little quicker too...that would also be good for a first timer.It also seems that eod on prop would be sure to keep levels a little more stable, and instead of going with one big shot, you have smaller ones.
please correct me if I am wrong.

thanks guys

 

[brew]

.It also seems that eod on prop would be sure to keep levels a little more stable, and instead of going with one big shot, you have smaller ones.
please correct me if I am wrong.[/B]

I tend to think a longer ester is easier to keep a constant level with. your levels are not so quick to rise and fall, its easier to keep a plateaued level. If your concerned with keeping a constant level with prop, IMO, you should go ED. Not that eod won't work, I just think ed keeps levels a little more constant.

As far as the more sticking aspect, The thing I was thinking was a first timer (someone who is not expereinced at injecting) should get their feet wet first with one or two a week. I know my first time, I wasn't ready for ed/eod sticking. I was shaking and sweating profusley. It took use all a few sticks to become comfortable with the idea.

Jay, maybe its not a COMPLETE waste. I mean when I first got started, I did one drug only cycles. I won't recemend those deca only cycles either. I guess I'm just a fan of stacking

 

[Willieman]

STORAGE

Does the test have to be stored in the fridge?

 

[Presser]

NO