BTW Big n wv I got the Tommy Kono knee bands and got to try them today for the first time. These things are awesome!! I have a thing about going heavy when I feel very strong (doesn't make sense) but I was banging out reps with 455 and it felt great!! Between the compression shorts and these knee bands I got to hammer my quads like I haven't in years!! I'm getting up to 500 next workout which I believe is heavier than I have ever gone w/o knee wraps! I see big quad growth in my future. I saw a couple of the high school kids crammed in the corner crying while I was squatting, they really looked scared