yeah also try the eca at 25-50mg ephed 300 asparin, and 400-600caffien i like the higher doses 3 times daily and atleast twice daily gives ya that morning wake up
Clen is great but ramp up for your first time use. Then find what the top dose you are comfortable with. DO NOT TAKE AFTER 3 PM you'll be up all night. Make sure to get plenty of fluids too! The cramps suck
I used clen a few years back, exactly the way Jay said to, expected great results, just lost a lot of sleep and had serious heart palpatations at doses higher than 75/d. probly just me, i think by body likes keeping the fat its got. Do it like jay said though, my buddy did it the same as me and got pretty damned ripped in 8 weeks.
if you add stuff like caffeine and and such and remember to eat right then its great. once your body builds a tolerance in the receptors its useless after that until your clear your system and return to normal. I like to call people who dont do well with clen and those who do non responders and responders...lol
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