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Muscle mechanic said:

It's all Good, speaking of lions being a Leo I understand!!!.
Lol!!
Brother it's all good, Robo is g2g as far as I am concerned. Primo is primo i am more than certain.
Only issue was primo is hardly used
Anymore because alot UGL have faked it, with eq, test, and other stuff or small ratio of primo with eq!
I was speaking about 200 mg primo and beings I know alot on the subject even I i could make 200 primo I wouldn't to prevent questions, no matter what primo the hormone primo is s very painful injection at over 150 per ml!
Same goes with 1-test-cyp.

Anyways primo is a good muscle holder
Even on calorie deficit diet it still holds muscle.
It has prolly highest protien synthesis rate than any other at right dose it can produce s constant build of of muscle but best combined with some sort of androgenic on its own it's lack of androgen, being just anabolic isn't enough. It's how our body works we need androgenic and anabolic activities to unlock and open receptors for growth!!!
For the record primo and real primo is weak u not gonna grow likes weed and it's hard to notice it's affects.
It is sought out by most for muscle preservation and or constant growth for cycles that are longer like 400 test a week primo 800 and hgh at 4 iu a day.
That is a safe side affect free cycle right there that will produce gains for 8 months or longer but.....
Primo because of its slow onset to add protien synthesis and lack of side effect make it almost in recognizable to notice.
Primo has the reputation of that
And it's so slow to work and un-obvious
That it's too hard to notice.
To be honest I haven't heard much about primo and who has the best becauseit's just one of those roids that is hard to notice.
I am sorry brothers but it is what it is and primo is just one of those steroids that gets a bad rap because of cost of raws. We are talking 12000- 15000 a kilo
Compared to some that are 1500.
Anavar, Proviron are equally as expensive to one another!!!
Tren isnt cheap either but 1/3 cost of primo.
Anyway enjoy your primo.
Sorry about your thread.


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JackSteel said:

Yeah I'm always curious how primo can be barely androgenic and still be a derivative of DHT and bind to SHBG. How Cana. Hormone be those things and not be very androgenic? Same with Anavar. It is derived from DHT and acts androgenic but doesn't bind to SHBG.


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Muscle mechanic said:

They modified the molecule, the same modification is what made it so heavy in molecular weight. Anavar I cannot get to turn to solution to fully dissolve no matter what u try it falls to bottom and I gotta shake!
So I will cap some raw I have for personal use. It's like 4 grams so won't kill me at 50 mg! Lol!
Fillers and small caps!
Primo had same problem because of weight, the way to do it above...
Has been kept secret I figure!!!
Know people who made anavar inject at 25mg and 50mg highest held 25 mg hurt for a week. Lol!

But that modification stops dht sides by not activating dht receptors but binds as dht at estro cells and muscle as anabolic only and other cells prostate ect...
Because of being pure anabolic with dht back one because of lacking dht activities it had been studied that dht active compounds need to be present with protien synthesis for muscle
uptake. The exact reasoning is unknown!!!
So get most out of primo or car with some testosterone, and even masterone, and or anything androgenic!!!
Another thing interesting is Anadrol is dht modified as well BUT it doesn't aromatase at all, YET it activates progesterone cells and anadrol has estrogenic nature even though it doesn't aromatase. It is thru a different action and mechanism not exactly understood.
Anadrol can have many medical benifits for muscle wasting, immune system, blood cells, and bone osteoporosis benifits especially in sick and weak!!!


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JackSteel said:

AT ANY RATE.... lol

I'm having to back down actually on the primo because right as the 500mg was starting to peak my CRS in my right eye fucking came back.

*Flashback to my earlier posts on CRS: steroids of ANY kind including cortico steroids can aggravate and worsen CRS (fluid behind the retina)

So I'm backing off and adding more mast instead. Hopefully this doesn't aggravate it as I ASSUME aggravation is from blood volume increase... although that makes no sense now that I think about it.

Long story short I'm basically dropping primo down to a mere immune booster at 100-200mg... AGAIN.


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Muscle mechanic said:

Something to keep in mind.
Primo isn't supposed to affect blood pressure and as far as blood volume go donate, verify with pin prick hemo tester where u at on #'s it's free.
What we need to look into is which of your combo is causing hepicidin suppression in liver if it's blood volume the culprit!
Or is it kidney function and balance of electrolytes, mag, cal, pat, etc etc!!!
Primo creates more protien synthesis than any other roid but it need dht androgenic activities to make it Beneficial.
What is important is to know that primo at certain doses for too long will affect kidney function by sparing protien synthesis and not excrete it!
Just keep that in mind!!!


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JackSteel said:

Well that's why I said it can't be blood volume because cortisol doesn't cause rise in blood volume nor any corticosteroids that I know of. I've researched the exact reason and I haven't been able to find any studies or articles on why steroids make CRS worse. I do know that low doses don't aggravate it.


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Muscle mechanic said:

I will look into it for u!!!
What may help, hurt heal?
Worth putting my brain to work, see what I come up with!
Will see if peptides and Hgh or igf promote healing which I know is supposed to.
Hgh helps eyes alot, I know people who don't need their glasses as much since hgh!
I need to see more of exactly what causes it.
If vassidators help?
Or in amines and other constrictors make it worse?

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JackSteel said:

Caffeine, anything that causes an increase in adrenaline/cortisol. Stress. Im leaning towards citrulline helping but I need to order more. I use mk677 quite a bit. I may snag a bottle next month and start up again.


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Muscle mechanic said:

I use cialis and or TSO Aqua-Alis
For vasodation!!!
It is selective to certain areas more but vasodates all over.
I use 10mg@ least everyday!!!
Viagra gives more head rush and stuffy nose, blurred vision from vaso in face sinus and eyes!
TSO also has Vi-alis I wanna say!!
U can take smaller doses thru out day for better affect.
But think honestly Cialis will take care of u on that!!!
I thru out the pump products Cialis is my
Only one.
I eat diet full or arginine which citrulline
Is converted from arg in kidneys.
Another good one I like better though is agmatine sulfate!
They all are by products of arginine or synthesized from it in kidneys!!!
What gets me is this, u said your sec drive is up? How are your woods and night time morning ones?
Because if they their u have plenty of N.O. production!
Also keep in mind that high protien and protien synthesis puts load on kidneys and kidneys are responsible for blood pressure control by NO by synthesizing this NO stuff and citrulline and what not!!!
Urea not enough ecretion and too much protien will affect this and primo does have a side effect people overlook.
Just curious are u having toe pain and cramps among other areas tendons and joints???
I have gotten gout lots of times and it sucks!

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JackSteel said:

Yes I love all of them lol. I'm actually taking a combo of them in liquid form that's 10mg levitra/25mg cialis/25mg viagra per ml. I kinda prefer Viagra but I like the longer effect as well. Quite a product. I also take citrulline with it. Gout from primo? How?


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JackSteel said:

I would just stick to citrulline alone by the way. It increases arginine levels better than arginine itself.


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Muscle mechanic said:

It all depends on our kidney function argine has to be present to synthesize citrulline and it should.
For me argine different forms and agmatine sulfate work best.
Citrulline only works for me with a small ratio to others, it does nothing for me on its own. The way it works it's kidneys actually synthesize argine to citrulline and citrulline back to other depending.
They both cause NO increase some I guess kidney function different.

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JackSteel said:

Studies show that citrulline raises arginine, and citrulline blood levels higher than arginine because it can't be absorbed as well. Arginine high doses can give diarrhea to a lot of people while citrulline won't do that. Maybe you're not taking enough? You need similar doses to arginine to do it slightly less. 4-6g citrulline or 6-9g citrulline malate is what you want.


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JackSteel said:

Transitioning to test/ mast/ tren now. I'll stop the primo soon since I can't really run it where I'd like because of my CSR.

So now it's

240mg test
400mg masteron
And...
wait for it.....

10mg tren ace eod

lol I wish I could see some of the faces when they read my tren doses. I barely feel it, but I do feel it. Boners are undeniably better and I STILL get very minor night sweats lol.

Lean bulk in progress. I'm going against the current though because I'm in need of serious massaging and stretching, not to mention seeing a chiropractor. I have a really badly tight and inflamed IT band especially on my right side. I have nearly constant pain every day so working legs is a bitch. Anyway, I wanted to update my uneventful log just to keep my he's in the game. Drink water, drive on fellas.


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