looking for some first time feedback

First off great forum!! And whats up !!!

Heres the question. I am looking for some serious feedback. I have been lifting now for about 6 months after a couple of years off. I am 25 years old. Good health. 5' 11" 175 - 180 lbs. Not sure of BF% but I have a spare Im working off.( Not too bad though )
I have decided to do my first cycle after about a year of reading and preparing and educating myself. I want to get the most out this cycle and do it correctly but at the same time I dont know how my body will react so I do have some concerns and questions. Here is what I have:

8 amps X Omna 250mg
200 Thai Dbols 5mg
1 - Bottle 10ml Spectro Deca@ 200mg/ml
24 Clomid 50mg
Milk Thistle

How should I structure?

I dont know about 3 AS my first cycle.

I was thinking:
wk 1 - 8 250mg Omna EW
wk 1 - 10 200mg Deca EW

or maybe

Deca/Dbol??( How would you structure? )

Or maybe:
Wk 1 - 4 20mg Dbol ED
wk 1 - 8 250mg Omna EW

I will run Milk thistle throughout and try to get some ALA.

Post cycle I will run 300mg clomid day 1 100mg for 10 days and 50mg for 10 days ( Thought? )


Any reccomendations or thoughts will be appreciated and taken seriously. Thanks bros!

i personally would run at least 500 mgs/week total.

I like the first choice, but like HG said 500 of omna would be better. You post cycle therapy is solid! Must of done your homework! Also you should consider some liquidex through the cycle especially if you incorporate the D-bol. Keep us posted.
Welcome Also!!!

Thanks guys. Do you think I wont get any results off of less then 500mg test a week?

And about d's how harsh are they..I mean I hear so much conflicting info.

Is 20mg/day dbol sufficient(ideal?)

Also how much Nolva? What dosages...etc. I know a guy who is going pro and he says not to touch the shit. He says run clomid throughout if your worried about gyno. But I also want to keep the bloat down and I dont think Clomids going to help with bloat ( Right??)

With only the one bottle of deca how should I run? I dont want to buy more deca( To pricey!!)

10ml - 200mg/ml


Again thanks for the advice!!

bro omnas are like sus in that they have 2 long acting esthers and two short, if they are newer ones they are actualy identicle to sustanon, now you need to run omnas everyday or everyother day atleast to prevent hormone/test level spikes, ur sking for side effect by using omnas once a week reason being is this

the 2 long acting test esthers will not kick in for say 4-5 weeks, so then ur stuck with the 2 short acting test esthers, now they will rais ur test levels for about 2-3 days, but then u have another 4 days left until ur next shot since ur using them once a week, so those short test esthers will lower your test/hormone blood levels after the 3 days so then ur levels are down for 4 days until next shot, this up and down in blood level concentration of the hormone will leave you with lots of side effect you may not want, mood swings, acne, gyno (possibly), energy, etc

i hope i explained that ok bro, this will continue to happen until ur long acting test esthers kick in then you would be ok

its kind of like taking prop once a week ya know, big no no

30mgs/day of dbol is good, but, make sure to use liquidex throughout. i started bol with just nolvadex and it didn't work well and now i'm still waiting for the liquidex and hoping this gyno problem will hold off for another day with the nolv.

Here's a thread by bass that further explains Presser's point.

http://board1.mantisforums.com/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10477&

I see your point and thanks. Heres my problem..for a first time user how much Omna EOD would you reccomend. BTW this forum has some solid bros. Man some other forums its hard for a new guy to get the solid adice from the vets thanks guys!

Heres the situation. I have the following and I will buy more if needed of the omna and dbol but not the deca(too pricey)

8 X Omna 250mg amps
200 Thai dbol
1 bottle spectro deca @ 200mg/ml (10ml Bottle)

How would you guys strucdture? Think back to your first time. Should I scrap the bols? or how to incorporate. Again a little weary of the 3 AS first time around. But I am open to suggestions how can I get the best results with what I have already?

Being your first time IMO.
Omna M,W,F @250mg
Deca@200/week-since you don't want to buy more.

Would work well. A lot of guys don't like D-bol, I like it for a kick start. I really don't think you'll need it for your first time, IMO. If you decide on the d-bol I'd do 30mgs a day, broken up through the day.

750mg a week?

My specs:

5' 10" 175-180 lbs.

I dont know if this will change any reccomendations but i thougt it would help.

Is 750mg Ok for my body weight?

I dont think I'll do the bols the first time around. Any other suggestions and thanks Scorp!

Bump...just to confirm

The dose is cool for first time with my body weight.

Thoughts???

Only question is do you have acess to either Test E or cyp? If you do you can run 500mg week split into 2 250mg shots and jump start the cycle with d-bol at 25-35mg day till the test kicks in.
My .02

Ok PRoblem is I want to use what I already have. See above for what I have now. I will buy more omnas if needed.

FOr first time cycle I was planning:
wk 1 - 8 omna 250mg EW
wk 1 - 10 Deca 200mg EW


I think I will save the dbols for next cycle. Now with all the info and threads on omna/sus meesing with your blood levels. i am thinking of doing at least 2 - 3 shots of omna a week. BIt with my body weight being 176lbs and being a first timer is 750mgs of omna a week cool?



ANd should I run deca at 250mg for 8 weeks or 200mg for 10 weeks?

Bumb. ...anything guys?

it is my humble opinion you don't need all that much on a first time. it is well documented that lifters in the 60's only took a fraction of the dosages taken today and they grew big time too. besides on a first time I would use lower dosages not only because you don't need higher ones, but also because you still need to assess the impact of AAS on your system.

drop the bullshit omna for reasons presser explained. Go with enanthate or cyp instead. only use 250mg a week. 200mg deca a week is fine also. go for twelve weeks in total and jumpstart the cycle with some dbol. Take 30-40mg of dbol per day. You should divide the dosgaes throughout the day, bestly into 4, which would make a dose of 40 mg/day more practical.

Deca-I would run it for 10-12weeks-I don't know if you will see results from 200mg wk-I would double that for my 1ST CYCLE. The dbol will jump start the cycle for wks 1-4...

I see you are @ 180lbs and a little high on the bf5-What are your goals?

Thanks bros.

My BF is actually not to bad. i have a little love handles I am working off.

My goals at this point is quality mass.

Out of the two tests that you recommended what are the pro's/con's of each in your experience with them?

I will only run deca at 200mg a week because I am looking for bang for the buck and Deca is pricey.

Thanks again guys

If you only want to use what you have and you want to keep your blood levels constant, then buy 10mL vial and inject all of your omna into the vial inject .25mL Every other day. That would be the same as 250mg/day, since .25mL = 62.5mg * 4 shots a week = 250mg

can buy vials here: http://researchkits.com/index2.htm

wannabebigok said:

750mg a week?

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During my first cycle, I gained 23 pounds in 7 weeks from 250mg/wk. of Omnadren (old blend). So, you definitely can grow with the amounts you have. The problem right now is you don't have any idea how you're going to react to gear, both during and post-cycle. For that very reason, I would not run Deca. I have read posts from other guys saying they experienced gyno problems using as little as 200mg/wk. of nandrolone. Plus, decanoate is a big ester. It's going to take a long time for blood levels to peak. That means a longer first cycle...something I think you, as a first-timer, should avoid at all costs until you figure out how well you handle post-cycle recovery.

Instead, I would run the Omnadren at whatever dosage you feel comfortable with, be it 250/wk., 500/wk., 750/wk., etc. and throw in the dbol @ 20mg/day. The beauty of dbol is it gets in and out very quickly, unlike a big esterified injectable. That means if you run into problems, you can simply drop it immediately instead of waiting weeks for an injectable to clear.

Keep this cycle short - no more than 8 weeks. You've got enough dbol for 20mg/day for 50 days (assuming 5mg tabs). You could run it straight through for 7 weeks or run it the first 4 weeks and then start the day of your last Omnadren injection and run it for 3 weeks. That way, everything clears at about the same time and you're using the dbol as a nitrogen retainer (anti-catabolic) while the Omnadren tapers naturally. I like using fast-acting meds this way.

If you want some info on the guy who's giving you this advice: I'm 31 years old, been training for 8 1/2 years (first 6 years drug-free), 5'11", 245lbs., ~8% bf, started Feb. 1995 (23 yo) @ 155lbs, current state record holder in the deadlift. My before & after photos are probably around page 16 of this forum.

Thanks Golden. that was exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. Your first cycle did you run Nolva throughout? Also do you think the dbols at 7 weeks total might be a bit much? I heard Deca was not bad on the side effects. I will heed this advice and run dbol and omna.