Need advice - Tren/Fina

Please, if I'm breaking any rules, let me know and I'll delete the post. I don't know where else to turn for advice other than to you guys who have been there, that can maybe add insight from the other side of this.
My husband is a member at another board, so I couldn't go there - got to looking around and found y'all.

He has been on Tren for about 2 1/2 - 3 weeks. I couldn't tell you what dosage he takes, but he takes a shot every day.
He's made significant gains - he looks great and is very pleased with the results. He has also just added d-bol to his regimen.
BUT - he has become *very* aggressive and he does not realize it. I've only pointed it out once, and he got really pissed at me for even mentioning it. I've been tiptoe-ing around it ever since. He is a short tempered person anyway, but this is out of control. I'm not against what he's doing, I just wish he'd acknowledge he's actually having this side effect and maybe he could control himself a little better. But he swears it's not the tren, that it's all in MY head. I started noticing the difference - I mean a severe difference after he had been on it right at 2 weeks.
He is paranoid as shit and is accusing me of stuff out of the blue that have absolutely no substance at all.
He is also experiencing what I believe y'all call tren dick. THis sucks for me too, but I am not as concerned about it as he thinks I am! There are plenty of things he can do for me to keep me happy, ya know? Plus, it's only 3 more weeks - this is not a major problem.
I'm wondering if this is adding to his paranoia to some degree. Maybe thinking that i'm going to stray if he can't perform?

I guess what I'm getting too is this:
Anybody else experience paranoia and/or aggression on this?
Does it pass, or will it last the length of this cycle?
Will the d-bol make it worse?
And finally- for you guys in a relationship - what can I do to make things better/easier for both of us. I think that just staying out of his way for a while is the best way, but it's hard in a house with 2 kids. And then if I'm being standoff-ish, he thinks something's wrong and questions that!

help me please, no flames.
And again, if I'm breaking some rule, written or understood, I will delete this post.
ANY feedback is appreciated.

thewife

also - I've tried to be very supportive of this, because I know it's what he wants. I've praised his gains regularly and showed support by reading up on it so I can talk about this stuff with him, and he's reading stupid shit into that too. Do I keep my mouth shut all the way around, unless he asks me something specifically?

thanks again.... sorry for the novel.

Welcome to the board! Wow , With the info you have supplied I know we can get you some feedback, I myself am not a Tren vet so no help there. Having used dbol on 2 cycles I can say there was a slight increase in agression, but no paranoia. Sometimes intoducing a foreign substance into one's body can increase certain tendencies that are alreday present. My .02


Vets??

Welcome to MC thewife..agression comes with tren and dbol
hes lucky to have someone like you that understands and is behind him i lost a wife over the same thing.hopefully you can talk to him and tell him whats up maybe tell him about MC
and he can read it himself.hope i helped and good luck...

First off welcome!!
No your not breaking any rules, it's a great question. I can guarentee that nobody will flame you. Tren makes me very aggressive and hostile. Yes, it's one of the sides, I can vouche for it 100%. If he doesn't believe you have him sign on and talk to me. Find out what amount he is taking, the best remedy may be to lower the dosage. As for adding the dbol, it's different for everyone, actually dbol calms me down, it's called the dbol calm.

Has he ever done fina before? Also adding a testosterne to the fina will help with the "fina dick"

I haven't taken dbol before. I'm currently taking tren for the first time, at 60mg every day (a moderate dose, most people go from 75mg every other day, up to 150mg a day). I've noticed that I get irritated more quickly, but I'm not sure that I have more of a temper. I definitely have less patience with my kids, which is something I'm trying to be conscious of!

That said, the sides (aggression, hair loss) have been said to go up very quickly as the dose increases. I've heard several people say they couldn't do 150mg every day because they were just unbearable to be around!

And of course, if you are short tempered to start with, I'd imagine it'd only make things worse.

Of course, it could be in your head... when we expect something to happen (i.e. think that steroids lead to aggression), we can imagine things... but I'd bet it is actually going on whether he admits it or not.

As far as the paranoia, that can be a side of high doses of test. What I'd say is more likely, though, is that since he has "tren dick", he is probably really doubting himself, and that is the root of his paranoia.

Not sure what to suggest as far as advice goes. It'd be nice if he would ask the bros on his board whether those sides are possible, etc. Or even go see a counselor or something - might be goof for both of you.

Anyway, it sounds like you are taking a great attitude with this, and I wish you the best of luck!

Great advice here. Tren increases irritability, no doubts. You are a great wife to be taking the time t learn and supporting your husband. Welcome to the board, stickaround we will try and answer any question you may have.

Wow!

First welcome to the board.

You have a lot in there and I think you're going to get some execellant responses.

Anybody else experience paranoia and/or aggression on this?

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Yes and yes. These are classic sides of tren. They vary in degree from people to people. I actually get more paranoid than agressive on tren but I do experience both to a degree.

Does it pass, or will it last the length of this cycle?

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Good question. Neither passes but what I will say is you learn to deal with it. Maybe a better explaination would be that you get used to it, so it becomes less and less prevelant. On the other hand things can be running alone fairly calm and then bang something happens and in 2 secs flat you just want to kill someone. Just use driving as an example. Is it roid rage? Maybe so but the feeling to rip someone's head off usually leaves as quickly as it occured.

The parnoid feelings seem to be dealt with laughably over time. What I mean is, you just realize how silly you are being when you look back at it. For me, for some dumb reason I thought my wife was smoking. She has never smoked in her life but yet I found myself getting up in the middle of the night to check her ashtray in her truck. Looking back after doing it a couple of times it was hard to believe that I was just that silly. I did come to that realization while still on tren too.

Will the d-bol make it worse?

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Actually I think the dbol will make it better. Dbol is a very unique steriod. If you wanted someone to experience what it's like to be on a cycle give them 50mg of dbol. For the next 4 hours or so they'll feel it. Dbol is really the only AS that kicks in so quickly. Dbol is also a "feel good" AS. It makes everything look a little rosey. You might ask him how he's taking it and make sure he's spliting up the dose and taking it throughout the day.

This is important to you for a few reasons. One being your mention of tren dick. A lot of people do tren only cycles. I think most people would agree that a proper tren cycle would also include test, winny or proviron. All 3 take care of fina (tren) dick. Fina dick effects more than just not "getting it up". You won't even want to get it up. These are 2 different things. Dbol will help with the tren dick. Tren also shuts you down hard. Which means recovery will take longer (natural test levels coming back). Which means for weeks after the tren ends your sex life may still be in the dumpster (and since you are off dbol then the temporary bounce back will be gone).

And finally- for you guys in a relationship - what can I do to make things better/easier for both of us.

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I'm far from an expert at relationships but at this point I'd try to ride out the storm until he comes off the tren. He'll be very open to discussion once the cycle is over. Defenseless actually (with no test in his system either). Express you feelings to him at that point and drive them home. There are other roids that he can use if tren continues to effect him in this same mannor.

I have to say, LA, that I love reading your posts!

WOW! Thanks guys for the quick and awesome responses! I really wasn't expecting a very warm welcome -- being an outsider and all. This is great.

BleedGreen: Vets??
I *think* I know what you're asking here, and the answer is yes.

MaxHC: I'm sorry, and I appreciate you guys trying to help me out here.
I actually found your site just doing a search on tren dick. I found the great post on the Topic of the Week with all the info Harvey B posted - I got a lot from that! I actually emailed my hubby the link so he could check it out, then went back and deleted it before he read it when I decided to post here. I didn't want him to see it and figure out it was me, ya know? I would love to send him here to chat w/ you guys, maybe after this thread is gone...

I knew I'd get blasted if I went to his board - I've read some of the posts and those guys can be brutal...even to each other, much less a newbie wife with whiney questions.

Scorpio: I'd read about d-bol having a calming effect, or giving you a sense of well-being, but I just don't know enough about what's okay to stack with what. He did a lot of research before he started this, and I feel confident that he wouldn't stack anything that wouldn't do well together. But I think he's not worried about psychological side effects as much as he is health - kidneys, hair loss, gyno-whatever (bitch tits) etc. I was kind of hoping the comibnation would sort of level out this moodiness.
No, he has never done fina before. I'm not sure what he did before - started with an A? But that was about 8-9 years ago.

Weird Al:
Good point - he does think that it's in MY mind because I have this preconceived notion that ALL steriods cause the side effects they are stereotyped to have. I promise you it's not. He is snappy with our kids too, and THAT's harder for me to take than when he snaps at me.

Choke- thanks for support and kind words.

You guys are too cool - I REALLY appreciate all the feedback and the warm welcome.
I just recently started weight training myself, so I may be hitting the ladies board pretty soon too!

THANKS AGAIN!!

thewife

What I meant was for those with Tren/fina experience to respond to your thread. Glad everyone was helpful!

bleed green:
OK, I gotcha ! I thought you were referring to where he got it from...

Thanks again.

I knew I'd get blasted if I went to his board - I've read some of the posts and those guys can be brutal...even to each other, much less a newbie wife with whiney questions

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Don't know what board he's from, nor do I want to, but any member who flames someone with a legit question is childish. We wouldn't tolerate it here, nor would the members. I also agree with LA on a couple of things.

Dbol is also a "feel good" AS. It makes everything look a little rosey

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couldn't of said it better. That's how I feel on it.

Fina dick effects more than just not "getting it up". You won't even want to get it up

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I ran a fina only once, it didn't stop me from being able to "perfrom" I really had no interest in it.

LA
That was so informative! Thank you! I wish I could get him over here to read this thread w/o him figuring out it was me who posted it.
The info from you who have been there is invaluable.
I know I can ride it out, but it's hard to keep my feelings from getting hurt when he says the kind of shit he's saying. I just gotta try to suck it up and realize it's not nec. him that's talking.
I will see how he's taking the dbol - I don't think he's splitting it up, but I'm not sure.
As far as the hard on's - they just show up whenever. he can't get hard when he WANTS to, but during dinner or something completely NOT sexual, it just pops up!

Thanks for ALL the tips and great info and support.

thewife

wow, this was a very interesting thread. I sure learned alot.

well...

I wasn't going to register for another board (lord knows, I'm on too many as it is), but reading your post wifey made me have to respond.

First, I've used Fina/Trenbolone a bit (last 3 cycles, including the current one, probably 36-40 weeks worth if I add it all up). And yes, it does make me testy and more short tempered than usual, but I can control myself. It also jacks up my Bloodpressure 20pts or so on average (from 120/70 to 140/90 or so).

Although I don't know exactly what your hubby's trying to accomplish with his current cycle, here are somethings to consider:

1) Anyone who has done research on Tren knows that it shuts down your hypothalmic-pituitary-testicular axis hard and causes you to lose your libido. To combat this most folks, me included, run testosterone with it (and of course an anti-estrogen),

2) If any particular steroid makes you feel shitty or act shitty, don't use it! Switch to something else. There are so many choices available. Don't like Tren, run Winstrol, or Test Propionate. Don't like Deca, run EQ. Why people insist on sticking it out with drugs that make them feel rotten is beyond me.

3) Dbol is a decent mass builder, and it will likely make him bloat a bit. Make sure he's got an anti-estrogen available when he uses it. Can't tell you how many newbies over the years I've seen post about getting gyno off dbol - totally avoidable side effect. And yes, Dianabol can make you feel a sense of well being, most likely because it is cortisol suppressive.

4) Frankly, if it were me, I'd use Anadrol with the Tren as both are non-aromatizing, but man would I be raving bitch on that cycle ... oooppss, been there done that (actually it was Tren+Winny+Anadrol, a great non-aromatizing mega-asshole stack).

BTW, I'm married and have 2 kids as well, and my wife does all my ass injections for me, so I know where you're comming from. She doesn't mind that I do it, but if I ever start misbehaving, well you can guess the consequences....

Good luck to you and all the wifey's out there!

DrG

Great input for a 1st time post...Welcome

It's great that you're sticking it out with your husband and actually taking the time to learn about them before completely blaming them for every problem.

To me and this is just my opinion your husband sounds like he's letting himself be a dick because he is on steroids. 99% of the population of steroids users are psychologically capable of controlling any hormone related agression or mood changes. The other 1% really should not be doing steroids, because they have some serious pyschological problems such as manic depression, bipolar, etc. Hopefully your husband is not the 1%...lol. Your husband needs to take responsibility for his actions and words or at the very least become aware of his mood changes.

You have come to a very good board as I don't really know anyone here that is a raging abusive steroid user. Mostly everyone here is aware of the pyschological as well as physical changes of steroids as it is common discussion. You need to have a good talk with your husband in a non-aggresive manner (which is going to be hard in this case as it's directly pointing out a flaw in his character)

Tell him that you've been reading up on tren and you've read that it's known to make people a bit more testy, aggresive, etc. Then say you've found this really good site called Muscle Chemistry and have him talk to us. It easier to talk about mood changes, etc. when your not talking to your sig other, because you don't want them to know that sometimes you feel like ripping someone's head off for cutting you off...lol. Then again these are things you feel like doing, but wouldn't actually do in real life.

Also if this is a persistent problem that has become worse after taking steroids than maybe counseling is something that would be very benificial to your family. He may be one of the ones in which steroids are a bad choice.

welcome nice to see a good wife being concerned ....the guys have given you some good advice ....I love tren it is the strongest androgen we have to work with .....It seems to give me a diffrent experence than most. I get a feeling of well being.......and with test I make the fish stop swimming ....LOL

You should have him drink as much water as possible ( it should be distilled water it leaches out toxins from the body ) It has been my experence that most people get very irretable when they are burning the toxins that are stored in the fatty tissue.....

tren has been known to lower body fat ......

I would add test prop it will push this cycle over the top and save the sex life ....you may need to hide after the test kicks in .....have fun .....

Hi,

I'm a tren fan. It DEFINITELY affects your temper and even mood. I find that I tend to get angry easier and when I get angry I get MUCH more angry -- I have even experienced what has to be called tren rage several times. I take 75 mg every day -- how about hubby? I think it's great that he doesn't hide this from you -- this might help. I strongly recommend that he get on some test, for starters I recommend sustanon. This will accomplish a couple of things. First, his moods will improve. Second, he will get better gains. Third, tren dick will be history -- in fact you could quickly find yourself a very busy lady.


So to make sure I addressed your concerns let me run down your questions:


Q: Anybody else experience paranoia and/or aggression on this?

A: Yes on both counts.


Q: Does it pass, or will it last the length of this cycle?

A: It may subside somewhat but don't count on it -- more like the issues change -- agression, to paranoia, to moodiness.

Q: Will the d-bol make it worse?

A: It can help or hurt

Q: And finally- for you guys in a relationship - what can I do to make things better/easier for both of us. I think that just staying out of his way for a while is the best way, but it's hard in a house with 2 kids. And then if I'm being standoff-ish, he thinks something's wrong and questions that!

A: I think it is wonderful that you are knowing and supportive -- I recommend you speak with him in a copmmon learning kind of way. He is a lucky man.

Regards and let us know if we can help.