Back to Square 1

Hey folk, I haven't posted recently, but I was a FB member for a number of years, then jumped here and over to another unnamed board I have never cycled, but was strongly considering it, read every board post I could for about 2 years....and then life interfered.

Well, here I am back again.

I'm in my mid 40's, excellent health (as in Doc says I'm more like 30), weigh 175 and am at about 12% bf. I cardio every day 3 miles at a 6.5 pace, and then lift for an hour, 5 days a week. I eat very clean (at least 75% protein every day).

Problem is, I'm losing the battle to age :angry: I actually bench slightly less then I did a year ago, I've plateaued, and the time has come....

I'm looking over notes and print-outs form the last two years (!) and it loks like 400 each of test enth and Eq, with a dBol kick-start, liquadex during and clomid after (12 week cycle) would be an "appropriate" first cycle for mass-building. (I'm interested primarily in mass, not strength). I've had a close family member on slin for over 30 years, and actually feel comfortable going that route as well - - -would that be overdoing a first cycle for a middle-aged guy?!

If it helps, I could probably post a picture (low-cut tank on, but it's better than nothing).

Well, whaddayathink? Any *major* changes to the thinking about these cycles, or scammers, or anything since I've been absent? I guess I'm kind of in catch-up mode....


Bench

First cycle I don't think you need slin. I would do 500mg of Test e and 400 mg of eq. How much dbol do you plan on kick starting with. My first I did 30mg ed for four weeks and worked well. Remember to make sure you eat like a horse.

radical_P said:

First cycle I don't think you need slin.

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Yeah, it's just real easy to acquire, y'know?

I would do 500mg of Test e and 400 mg of eq. How much dbol do you plan on kick starting with. My first I did 30mg ed for four weeks and worked well.

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30? really? Cool. A lot of what I had read before said you needed more like 40-something.

Remember to make sure you eat like a horse. [/B]

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THAT'S the easy part!

that is pretty much a bread and butter cycle, my first cycle was only 400mg of test weekly for 12 weeks and I did pretty good off it.

first time you would be fine with 30mg of dbol ED.

Their are a bunch of things that are easy to come by but just see how your body reacts to a 1st cycle before you start throwing slin around. Make sure you take your milk thistle and ALA when hitting the dbol.

If you are more interested in mass, I would switch EQ out for Deca.

I agree wait a while before you go the slin route.

Harvey Balboner said:

If you are more interested in mass, I would switch EQ out for Deca.

I agree wait a while before you go the slin route.

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Ditto that!

Go Bread and Butter if first cycle. My lifting buddy did he's 45 and gained about 20-25 lbs

Being that many test strengths come in 250 mg/ml, I would suggest this:

* Test Enanthate or Cyp @ 500 mg/wk 1-12
* EQ @ 400-500 mg/wk 1-12
* D-Bol @ 25-30 mg/ed 1-4 to 6

I recommend 12 weeks only because of the EQ; if it wasn't for the EQ, I would say run the test for 10 weeks. Being that this is your first cycle, you could also just do the following and save the EQ for your next cycle:

* Test Enanthate or Cyp @ 500 mg/wk 1-10
* D-Bol @ 25-30 mg/ed 1-4 to 6

This is a good basic cycle that, if it is your first and you train properly, eat right, and rest right, you should have no problem putting on 20 + pounds.

Thanks guys, I have a sense that I have some idea of what I'm doing (we'll see!)

Harvey & LA, why do you recommend the deca over the Eq? I thought that Eq was *THE* rock-solid mass builder? What advantage do you see in deca? More mass (but maybe less "solid?")

benchpress59 said:

(I'm interested primarily in mass, not strength)

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drop the cardio.

As for your first cycle, you may want to work on your training and diet a bit before resorting to the gear.

The deca will help your joints adjust to the heavy lifting with the aid of water cushioning your joints and will add more weight/mass- which is what you said you were primarily interested in, not strength. The EQ, on the whole, will probably yield less mass than the deca but more quality strength and muscle in the end. After only a few searches on this board you will find that most folks on here favor EQ over deca. IMO, the
d-bol (which you could run for six weeks as opposed to four) and the test will give you plenty of both- strength and mass- and like I said previously, you could save either the deca or the EQ for another cycle. The majority of your mass anyway will come from the d-bol and test. Keep that in mind and good luck.

I think you definitely need to raise the test to 500mg/wk. Some people like dbol and some don't. I chose deca to go with my test the first cycle. (test enan @ 500mg/wk and 300mg/wk deca). I should have raised the deca to 400, but I was trying to be patient.

Good luck to you. You have been given some great advice from the other guys here, follow it and you will accomplish your goals.

The Test E and Deca amount are great- I however would kickstart the cycle with Test prop @ 150/200 mg e/o/d Wks 1/4/5, Why go with the false water gains from dbol when there is real muscle mass to be had!

In defense of d-bol (sorry, BLEED GREEN...LOL), I have been on it for four weeks now and I have gained over 10 pounds and a decent strength gain. I am running the d-bol for six weeks total as a kickstart to hopefully take advantage and solidify its quick gains already achieved. D-bol, traditionally, is the MASS steroid, as said by Arnold and countless others, so I feel that it is worth a try, especially if you are hunting for mass. Whether Prop is more advantageous than d-bol is a subject of debate that will probably never cease, so I would suggest giving d-bol a try on this cycle and if disatisfied, use prop on your next.

Mind you, I am using Bionabol (Bulgarian d-bol) with much satisfaction, so I would imagine that even better results could be achieved with British Dispensary Thai Pinks.

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goldenear said:

drop the cardio.
As for your first cycle, you may want to work on your training and diet a bit before resorting to the gear.

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Sorry, I guess I didn't make that partc clear....I put on a lot of disgusting fat from six months of working two jobs and doing too much fast food, so I'm coming off of tons of cardio and high protein as i work it off.

Once I begin to bulk, I fully expect to cut out all the cardio, start eating my Oatmeal breakfasts , putting the carbs back in, and consuming everything in sight...

All you need for a first cycle is this:

Weeks 1-6 100mg eod Test Prop
Weeks 1-6 20 mg ed dbol

If you want to know why I recommend this as a first cycle, do a search on my name and you'll read why.