advise on cycle

Let's get this out of the way now, yes I am a newbie to this board and I do read alot. I need some advise from the pro's.

In the past I have done only 10 week 1cc 2oomg test cycles with moderate results. I am 5'8" 190 with minimal body fat.

I have secured 20cc 200mg QV deca and 250mg Tornel supertest. I was informed that I should use 2cc/week test and 1.5 cc of deca. I usaully ingest about 200 grams of good protein also.

What should I be carefull of and what other chemicals should I aquire to keep the nasty side effects to a minium. As I have never done this before I know that this is the forum where someone will give me some great advise.

Thanks in advance for your help.

well bro I would use an anti e. That is about all you need. Maybe ise some dbol or something to kinda jumpstart you cycle. Give us some stats and I will try to be more specific. (weight, height, bf) And what you want to be at

Welcome to the board!
Since this is your second cycle I would suggest 500 mg/wk Test, 400 mg/wk Deca(If you had access to it I would replace the Deca with 400 mg/wk EQ)
I would boost your total calories to @ 3500 and at least 300g/day of quality protein

L-dex is mandatory thruout your cycle at .5 mg/day both as an anti e and to combat any Test induced bloat.
Clomid post cycle 2/3 wks after your last Test injection @ 300mg day1, 200mg day 2, 100 mg day 3-7, 50 mg day 8-14.

Bleed Green do you believe in post whoring? lmao

Hey this is a quality post( few an far between)

Okay guys thanks for the input. What is L-dex? I assume it is an anti- ester? I am trying to figure all this out so please be patient.

I am 5'8",m 190, 32 waist, I am guessing about 12% bodyfat(don't look fat).

I am worried about all the side effects (tits,balls, etc.) so some peeps here say clen, clomid, blah,blah, will help. SO I need some solid advise as I have just started with 500mg supertest, and 300 mg of deca. I do have access to 50cc of 50mg EQ so what do I do?

Thanks in advance

Clomid is to assist the restart of your natural test production, Clen is an anti-catabolic fat burner. L-dex is liquid anastrzole.

If your EQ strength is 50 mg/ml you would need to inject 3 ml to get 150mg active EQ. Hang around, keep posting questions,and use the search button it will help you greatly

So I should aquire Clomid for post cycle use and use clen during cycle?

Bleed green thanks for the help. L-dex I am not familar with so I will try to find info on it. THe clen and clomid here is like gold $125 for 50 tabs that seems high. I have seen several links here that may have the items I need but I still need a little guidance on the mg/cc of the Right items.

Again thanks for the help.

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I feel INFORMED now. Thanks guys(bleed green). Is L-dex oil or water? IM right?

Thanks again.

Looks like like they got it for ya

Welcome to MC

Don't inject liquidex, bro! It's a liquid form of anastrozole (Arimidex). Running anastrozole, letrozole, nolvadex, etc. is really a personal choice. Personally, I don't see a need to use these products under normal circumstances, so I don't. Estrogen does provide some benefits like improved lipid profile, increased IGF-1 levels, etc. So I prefer to manipulate my diet a bit to control excessive water retention. But there's certainly nothing wrong with keeping these products within reach.

I think you'd like your cycle a bit more if you extended it a few more weeks at least. And the best way to run deca IMO is to give it 5-6 weeks to clear. I always run testosterone during this period. Lastly, I would highly recommend using hcg @500IU's 2x weekly (e.g., Sat. & Sun) starting around week 4 and continuing through the cycle. This will greatly enhance your recoverability.

Okay I will research HCG. My problem is some of my friends are using HCG in the middle of their cycles but they are paying out the A** for it.[edited by ChemE Sorry bro no asking for illegal stuff!]

Thanks again to all the helpfull people here at MC

zoe-you need to put some time into research-just by your questions I can see little or no effort put into your cycle planning-this is not to be taken lightly-read the stickys-read the articles-read the threads pertaining to your goals-use the search function-diet,training,recovery all must be well understood and practiced in order to get good results-we are all here to help but you'll find you'll get out of this what you put into it-gear is not a "magic bullet"-merely a catalyst-now get to work-train like your life depends on it-eat big and recover fully-Good Luck!!

By no means did i intend to offend anyone with any of my posts. I have tried to research my cycle and the gear to go with it. With all the things my "gym friends" have told me I have been misinformed.

I understand the basic chemicals and the effects on the body but since I have never tried these I need a little guidance. Like I stated before the only thing in the past I have tried was test. only.

It also seems that everyone has a different opion on the best stack, the best anti's, etc. With that said please excuse my ignorance in this matter as I am ONLY trying to get the proper guidance and not be flamed for it.

Not everyone starting out has the wealth of information that some do or the amount of time to properly research the matter, that is why I ask questions.

I also understand the value of a really good diet and the basic elements of human nutrition. I understand with the plans that I have the importance of diet.

Ripped what I am trying to say is that you have a valid point of view from your stand point as a well informed proffesional who has spent a lot more time at this that I have. My point is that yes this is only my second cycle but I do eat well, train hard, but i lack the knowledge that is why I am here.

Sorry to bother

zoe17 said:

Not everyone starting out has the wealth of information that some do or the amount of time to properly research the matter, that is why I ask questions.

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Nothing wrong with that, and it's no bother bro! We've ALL been where you are right now. A lot of people like Deca (I LOVE IT) and a lot don't. I think some people get into trouble with Deca because they miscalculate the length of time that nandrolone sticks around. Do the math on the half-life of the decanoate ester and you'll see what I mean.

I've also heard of gyno problems on as little as 200-300mg/weekly. So it's really hard to know how you will react to ANY drug without using it. Definitely get ahold of some hcg (500 or 1500IU amps). HCG really should be used on all extended cycles with long acting gear.

goldenear said:

Nothing wrong with that, and it's no bother bro! We've ALL been where you are right now. A lot of people like Deca (I LOVE IT) and a lot don't. I think some people get into trouble with Deca because they miscalculate the length of time that nandrolone sticks around. Do the math on the half-life of the decanoate ester and you'll see what I mean.

I've also heard of gyno problems on as little as 200-300mg/weekly. So it's really hard to know how you will react to ANY drug without using it. Definitely get ahold of some hcg (500 or 1500IU amps). HCG really should be used on all extended cycles with long acting gear.

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On the hcg... how long of a cycle?

zoe-not a "bother" bro-we want you to be safe and successful-asking about dosages and duration is all well and good but you should have a basic understanding of some different drugs and esthers,anti-e's,post cycle protocols and exactly how gear "works" and the effects it can have on your body-point is don't rush into a cycle-spend a couple hours here at MC and don't repeat our mistakes!!Most of us aren't pros-just guys who have made more mistakes than you and realize that with some more "homework" most of us could've avoided 50% of our mistakes-had better results and been closer to our goals-no flame or disrespect intended and if you found my post offensive-my apologies

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On the hcg... how long of a cycle?

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That's really a personal choice. It also depends on the gear used. I didn't use any hcg during a little 6-week hit of test prop & dbol. I did happen to use it at the end and experienced the hcg rebound effect. I'm sure it still helped a bit, though.

I think anyone on for more than 10 weeks (maybe even 8) would benefit tremendously from periodic hcg usage.

I have researched the HCG and found several different brands i.e, novarel, etc. And different i.u's.

Anyone have any suggestions on what name brand to try to find? Seems as though my cycle will be about 15 weeks considering the lasting effects of deca.Should I taper the test to the end of the deca life?

Thanks again for all your help.

Ripped no offense taken, and thanks for the help.

Headed for the mountains for the weekend.