enathate or sust

wbni59

wbni59

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Hey i have sustanon and test e and am trying to figure out what to take and what to get rid of

I am 6'1 205 lbs right now around 18% body fat i have started cutting with clen and will do so after my cycle i plan to be down to about 13% body fat before my cycle and would like to get down to 8 or 9 after so i would like i would like to be around the same weight with the 8 to 9 % body fat i know everybodies body is different but this is my first cycle and just wanted some opinions i am taking it with d bol 30 mg a day the only thing i have done close is 1 AD (andro) and had real good effects dont know if that helps

appreciate it
 
this is just an opinion.
if u 're train to drop body fat from 18 to 9%, you really need a cutting cycle.
d-bol is good for strenght gain but works better when caloric intake is high. i will switch to winny and maybe primobolan.

test is good for mantaining volume when cutting; i prefer sust as makes me retaining less water than test en

good luck
 
for a decent cutter try Test Prop 150 mg e/o/d weeks 1-12
Eq 400mg wk weeks 1-12

Run Clen 2 weeks on/off with ECA starting @ week 8

liquidex .5mg day for bloat thruout
 
God I hate it when people think that there is some majic gear out there that will help them get "cut-up" or "ripped".

WAKE UP NEWBIES AND HEAR ME - THERE IS NO MAJIC CUTTING GEAR.

Cutting comes prinicipally from DIET combined with thermogenics and other fat loss aids - not from AAS. Anabolics just help you retain muscle (and have a slight metabolic effect) while maintaining a calorie deficit (i.e. being on a diet!).

Now, some AAS make you hold more water than others, but water is NOT FAT - so don't think that test enanthate or sustanon is bad because some dude says he got bloated on it. It's water not fat. (and anti-e's plus mild diuretics can get rid of/minimize the water bloat).

You wanna cut? Get ripped to shreds? Its all about the diet brother - first and foremost.

Personally I can cut and drop fat on any gear, sust, prop, test e, winny, tren, primo, eq, dbol, drol, etc. - just by dropping calories and manipulating my macro-nutrient ratios (and maybe adding in some thermogenics if I want to kick it up).

DrG
 
drgoodbody said:
God I hate it when people think that there is some majic gear out there that will help them get "cut-up" or "ripped".

WAKE UP NEWBIES AND HEAR ME - THERE IS NO MAJIC CUTTING GEAR.

Cutting comes prinicipally from DIET combined with thermogenics and other fat loss aids - not from AAS. Anabolics just help you retain muscle (and have a slight metabolic effect) while maintaining a calorie deficit (i.e. being on a diet!).

Now, some AAS make you hold more water than others, but water is NOT FAT - so don't think that test enanthate or sustanon is bad because some dude says he got bloated on it. It's water not fat. (and anti-e's plus mild diuretics can get rid of/minimize the water bloat).

You wanna cut? Get ripped to shreds? Its all about the diet brother - first and foremost.

Personally I can cut and drop fat on any gear, sust, prop, test e, winny, tren, primo, eq, dbol, drol, etc. - just by dropping calories and manipulating my macro-nutrient ratios (and maybe adding in some thermogenics if I want to kick it up).

DrG
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In principal I agree with everything you just said. Diet, cardio and certain "supps" do define a cutter. But having said that I believe tren for one and any test for two (but only if combined with a high dose of ant-e's) will aid in any cutter.

There are studies out there to prove this (although I'm not a studies guy I do read them from time to time). The one that comes to mind is one where they gave a bunch of fat ass lazy men 400mg of test a week and they ended up losing fat and gaining muscle without any form of exercise.

So I do think gear choices do come into play, but the DrG is right here. Pay attention to diet, cardio and "supps" 1st!
 
listen drgoodbody i am glad that u are not only knowledgable about weight lifting but also about my lifestyle.....my diet i just started consist of under 100 carbs over 200 grams of protein and under 35 grams of fat i am also an athlete i run every morning at 630 am practice from 230 to 6 and also lift at night

THIS POST WAS EDITED BY LA !!!!!

wbni59, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR NAME CALLING ON MC. DrG WAS MAKING A VALID POINT AND WASN'T EVEN EXPRESSING HIS COMMENT DIRECTLY TO YOU!

PLEASE GET WITH THE PROGRAM HERE!!!!!!
 
thanks for the input unfortunatey this gear is all i can get my hands on i wish a had a source with more variety...i would love some more input ill be the first to admit i have tons to learn and love new info especially personal experience
 
One more point that I seem to be making a lot again over and over because no one is listening. When using test in a cutter, any test, take a large amount of anti-e's!

Most only take enough not to get gyno, but the 'e' in anti-e is estrogen. Estrogen is a fat promoting hormone and needs to be kept under tight raps when cutting. Otherwise you are taking 2 steps forward and 1 step back.

1mg of dex (or equalivent) a day per 500mg of test is the minimum. Anti-e's are cheap today and easy to come by!
 
bleed could u be more specific on the use of clen and also let me know what u think about my diet
 
LOL! This is too funny - thanks LA, you're a great mod.

Bro, get it straight, it's not about the gear - it's about the diet. Go ahead, experiment all you want with whatever exotic compound you like - you may just have to learn this lesson on your own for it to stick.

LA - yes, I do believe I know the study you are referring to, and as a matter of fact I recall one where 600mgs of test enanthate were given for 12 weeks (I think) and there was an increase in LBM and a decrease in fat. The authors, if I recall, attributed this in part to the increased muscle mass consuming extra calories (and hence using some of the stored fat) for fuel. Tren to has some metabolic properties that don't seem well explained, but I have to agree that it is great with regard to maintaining muscle on a big calorie deficit (It's just so damn potent).

DrG
 
Clen use:

Cycle 2 weeks on/2 weeks off. Start low and work your dose up until you feel too jittery - then drop it back and maintain it til the end of the 2 weeks. Beta-receptors downregulate after that, so no point in continuing. After the Clen cycle, jump on and ECA or NYC stack (both are OTC) and go for 2 weeks, then back to Clen. Also adding in Yohimbine is excellent since it is an alpha2 receptor agonist (alpha are like the breaks on the fat loss mobile), so Yoh + Clen is amazing (esp. in women BTW).

Anti-e's: Arimidex, Nolvadex, Letrozole, Aromasin, and even lowly clomid. See Cybersolutionz the sponsor here.

DrG

PS: Feel free to apoligize.
 
wbni59 said:
bleed could u be more specific on the use of clen and also let me know what u think about my diet
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Clen ramp it up and down

Day 1 40 mcg
Day 2 60 mcg
continue to increase by 20 mcg day to @ 120-140 mcg, stay at 140 mcg for 5 days
Day 11 120 mcg
day 12 100 mcg
Day 13 80 mcg
Day 14 60 mcg

Take 2 wks off from Clen and just run an ECA during that time then start the process over
 
dr good body u dont seem to understand that i was a fat ass little kid and have dropped about 40 pounds in the last 2 years and gained about 15 in that same time i am at a plateau and am looking to break through to what i have been working so hard for
 
You're a funny kid - First off I'm a vet (yeah not on this board, but go to professsional muscle or UG or a dozen other boards I frequent), probably more so than all but a few on this board. Second off, I don't care about your fat loss situation. I lost 60 lbs the first 2 years I was training, because I was fat, but today (9 years later) I'm heavier than I have ever been and in better shape at 35 than virtually all the 20-something gym wannabe's I see everyday.

Bleed's a good guy and I'm sure he'll steer you right.

I'm through with this --

DrG
 
Just in response to your first post, I wouldn't "get rid of" any of the gear you already have as sust and test e are both good choices in their own respects......however, sust is usually much more expensive than test e and for that reason, I don't use it anymore
 
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