need HELP with Winnie

use a slin pin, it will work on water based juice

Bigger dart for drawing, then switch to the smaller one for shooting. I've never used winnie, but a friend of mine does and uses 23 gauge needles without a problem. Try getting some 20 gauge needles. You could use 18 gauge, but I've heard that they tear up the rubber stopper to much.

Or just draw it up 2x and inject 2x....

23g will work.....don't just pull the plunger to 1cc pull it beyond that...it comes out a lot quicker...then if you have to much push it through till you get your desired amount!!!

At the injection site where the depot is formed-low grade fever etc...Not hospital type infection!

Whats the deal with the slin pin?? I have some but the measurements are different I think?? Would it still be necessary to "aspirate" with a slin pin??

Also, in a previous thread someone mentioned that water based winny is more likely to cause infection....what kind of infection are we talking here??

If your are not able to draw out w/ a 23 gage there is no way your are going to be able to use a slin pin. If you get some diff. winny you should be able to use a slin pin but QV is too thick. The powder used by QV is not as fine but you should be able to draw and shoot fine w/ 23 gage and not cause much damage to the rubber. Make sure you roll the bottle around and mix it up good before you draw.

As for infections, all water based products run a greater chance of bacterial infection. The reason is that bacteria can a will grow in water and is more or less contained and well not grow in oil. So, you start with a little Mexican gear with a small amount of bacteria do to not so clean, clean rooms. It might not be a big thing if in a oil base like enath., EQ or Deca but put it in a water base like winny and you might end up with a big problem. No one wants an intramuscular bacterial infection. Bacteria loves to spawn in water.

Not trying to scare you but is something you need to take into consideration.
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I don't see why you are having a problem using a 23g. Take your time, you'll be fine.

Try putting the bottle in hot water around 140 degrees. This will help dissolve more of the crystals. Dont be afraid to use a bigger pin try a 21 g. Also, the reason that you are having winny squirt out when take out the needle, is probably because you have put a lot more air volume into the bottle than you have taken out. This makes the bottle very pressurized. All you need to do to fix this, is to put a needle in the rubber stopper without the syringe, to let excess pressure out.

I have never had an infection that i know of. But i have seen them and they do not look like much. they are alittle warm to the touch, red in color and will start to spread/move up the body toward the heart this is usally accompanied by flu like symptoms. Remember all this is not going to happen within 24hrs. It takes some time.
The messed up thing is if you do a shot in just off the mark or you fish the needle around in your muscle you may get the swelling the redness in color and pain. but you proll do not have an infection. You can also get the test flu which is not going to kill you but may trick you into thinking u have an infection. :angry:

If you have "Flu like symptoms only?? " most likely do NOT have an infection you have the flu or reaction to the gear and it will work its self out. If you get an infection and if causes flu like symptoms it you need to go to the Doc asap. if you are unsure you need to go to the Doc.

some people 1st find out they have an infection when they draw back on the plunger and the pin fills up w/ pusy blood type fluid.
If you are worried go over to Professional Muscle and do a search on dave19 or infections they have some great info over there.

Good Luck

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Mine did that as well bro the first week was sore as shit. It went away though. No swelling? No red lines? Then just chill and welcome to winnie shots.

that is just the nature of winny. The shit hurts. I get sore with every delt shot of anything.

If the pain is going away it is not an infection. (95% on that)

Bro winstrol is good stuff. Sometimes you get a spot of crap luck and get an infection. You take some keflex from the doc and all is good. Auto injury fatalities are a much more real danger, that hasnt stopped you from driving. Ive gotten a couple infections from bunk mexican gear. I went to the doc, got a script, and didnt miss a day of training.
It is sore b/c it is waterbased and only a suspension. The water is rapidly absorded leaving the crystaline hormone in the tissue to irritate it, until it is broken down and absorbed.
If you do get an infection it is hot to the touch or at least warm, period.
If you are dead set aginst using it, just to show you how much of a bro I am:thumbsup: I will take it off your hands and dispose of it properly!:wink:

its possible that you went through a blood vessel which would explain the bruising and the soreness......wait a while, it will go away, you can keep warm compresses on it if you want, but i think its just a normal pain, i had the same problem with QV and Ttokkyo winnie, they both hurt the first time injecting into a specific muscle, but then for some reason that area got used to it and it didnt hurt much after the first couple of injections. Try shooting into your glutes or quad, or even split up the ml between both delts next time. That should reduce some of the pain.