anadrol and omnadren = no results

Hi,

I just had a cycle with 100 mg anadrol a day plus 500 mg omnadren a week for 3 weeks followed by omnadren + deca-durabolin (3 weeks). Results : 10 pounds BW (82 kg ==> 86 kg for 5ft 7) and some strength (all during weeks 2 and 3) then I lost everything (weeks 4 to 7). I'm sure these were not fakes. I already had several cycles, all very desappointing. I'm a diabetic. Who could explain to me why nothing is really working with me ?
I'm training with a coach with the right food and the right workouts. He is training guys competing at a world level, very successful. He doesn't understand what's wrong with me because he never witnessed it yet (or anayway never to that extend)
Thank you for any help

Wow thats odd. I gained 10lb's of water my first 3 days with anadrol at 50mg/day. Thats a powerful stack and should have yeilded alot more than that..........Were you eating like hell? I mean the only way I could see you gaining that little is by being on a negative caloric diet.........?

ive heard of people not responding well to anabolics due to candida due to the use of anti-biotics. Hell if i was you i would get total blood work done and find out where you stand.

Your cycle is short only 6 weeks and 3 week of deca. Deca takes a while to kick in. Anyway, you said you're diabetic so maybe you're not eating enough carbs/calories to gain weight. Food is very anabolic so if you're restricting your diet because of your condition then that could be a reason.
DO you have a good PCT? If not, then your gain could be lost due to that as well. I'm leaning more towards your diet as why you're not gaining anything. Coach can't give you much advise on what to eat if you're diabetic. He's not a doctor.

yeah youre cyles seemed very short 3 weeks at a time.The anadrol did yield you result.Thats what you lost post cycle.Tell me some more about youre previos cycles and post cycle treatments..

maybe the shit is fake

Gee whiz...

I'd give my left nut to gain 10lbs in 6 weeks...

You know something? If you made those same "lousy" gains on every subsequent cycle, you would be IFPB-sized in a couple of years..

Any other problems... ?

Maybe,, make too much money at your job? Tired of dating hot chicks with big tits? The 55'' plasma HD TV makes your fireplace look small?

Anytime you want to switch shoes with me for a mile, just let me know..

Andy

Thanks for your replies.
As far as food is concerned, I trust my coach because only with his diet and training, I gained muscle and strength while being off. While on anapolon, omnadren and then deca, I got thicker on my waist. I'll tell you later what I ate, that's a lot.
My previous cycles were nearly all the same : no gain on 1st or two first weeks, some gains during the 2 or 3 next weeks then, always, plateau then decrease. I tried many cycles : GH-sustanon-primobolan, propio-tren, propio-deca, dianabol-propio-deca.
When I got my new coach, he suspected my stuff to be fake and he secured a very reliable source. Results are equally disappointing. There's something wrong with me, not stuff, probably not food.
What kind of bloodwork should I get ?
I hope you understand me all right I'm a French speaker.

Andy_from_Elite said:

Gee whiz...

I'd give my left nut to gain 10lbs in 6 weeks...

You know something? If you made those same "lousy" gains on every subsequent cycle, you would be IFPB-sized in a couple of years..

Any other problems... ?

Maybe,, make too much money at your job? Tired of dating hot chicks with big tits? The 55'' plasma HD TV makes your fireplace look small?

Anytime you want to switch shoes with me for a mile, just let me know..

Andy

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lmao, now thats funny, however he didnt keep anything and it was all water i would guess, so i wouldnt trade shoes for that

Geebee said:

Thanks for your replies.
As far as food is concerned, I trust my coach because only with his diet and training, I gained muscle and strength while being off. While on anapolon, omnadren and then deca, I got thicker on my waist. I'll tell you later what I ate, that's a lot.
My previous cycles were nearly all the same : no gain on 1st or two first weeks, some gains during the 2 or 3 next weeks then, always, plateau then decrease. I tried many cycles : GH-sustanon-primobolan, propio-tren, propio-deca, dianabol-propio-deca.
When I got my new coach, he suspected my stuff to be fake and he secured a very reliable source. Results are equally disappointing. There's something wrong with me, not stuff, probably not food.
What kind of bloodwork should I get ?
I hope you understand me all right I'm a French speaker.

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If your coach designed your cycle, you may well be better off spending his salary on a few more amps of test and instead let us help you for free... What's funny is that I cannot think of one other setting where the most cutting edge consultations are not only free, but eagerly shared and served with a smile.. Seriously, you would be very hard pressed to find a better source for information.. There is a real wealth on the boards.. It doesn't mean that nobody every spouts incorerant jibberish on topics they don't understand.. Not everyone is cut out for guru status.. All you have to do learn how to filter it.

Andy

Cyphon, I had never heard of candida before, but I had a look on sites and found out that I have many other candida symptoms. I'll go to my doc and have a talk about it. Thanks again.
Andy, my coach suggested only my last cycle, because I told him that all previous cycles didn't work properly.

The coach might be a guru in dieting but aas is a different game I could tell because look it his coach is telling him to use deca and sust for 3 weeks at a time .
We could put him on a real cycle with our knowledge on this shit.

Some people are a little arrogant here by downing this guy's coach without knowing why he is doing what he is. My understanding is that in Europe they promote slow growth through short cycles and rest periods. As far as the drugs he is using they do kick in faster than the bullshit experts would have you believe. I gained 7 pounds and kept it after 4 shots of sus over a one week period. I have also gained 10 pounds in the first week of 300 mg deca a week with 15 mg winstrol a day.

I would never advise anyone coming on here (these boards) and getting advice when they have a personal trainer they are paying and who has gotten results with others. Quite presumptuous to assume you know more than a person who is "on the spot" with this guy.

Diflucan is a one capsule cure for yeast infections so is worth a try. I suspect, however that this person is not responding to the short cycle approach...his body is not making quick adaptations it has nothing to do with the type of drugs, although normally tren and winstrol are used for these short cycles, often as site injections. Its also possible the training is not intense enough at this stage...without increasing intensity the body will not hold gains from steroids..shorter , more intense workouts and adequate rest and food are necessary...drugs are secondary, as he pointed out he has gained off cycle by following his trainers diet and exercise routine.

No easy answers but some possible questions for him to take back to his trainer.

Thanks arrogant fungus for your advice. You're lucky to have such succesful cycles.
Before trying short cycles, I had long ones (14 weeks) with little results :
* only 20 pounds for the first one and lost 24 pounds within 2 months as soon as I stopped clomid + HCG + clen (took them for a month)
* only 18 pounds for the second one within 6 weeks and started to loose lean mass and get fat from the 7th week on ; I increased quantities and it became worse ; I eventually stopped after 5 more weeeks.
My French coach told me I could never be a bodybuilder because my body was fighting against AAS (because I'm a diabetic)
I got an American coach through Internet, a very famous one and extremely knowledgable. He worked hard to get cycles adapted to my needs and all his cycles were 4 weeks cycles. I got some results and kept most of it, but the 2nd or 3rd week was always bad. I had to stop because I couldn't pay any more.
I got a newer French coach, much better than the first one and cheaper than the American one who is keen on workouts and food. He wanted me to start long cycles, but I demanded to go on with short cycles because they work better on me. Unfortunaterly it didn't, but since I started this thread I got my strength back and I hope to put on weight again with my new cycle : Australian spectriol (400 ml /w) and Romanian naposim (40 mg/d).
I started a 3 weeks treatment against candida as well

If you have a condition thats one thing,but there are many trainers, maybe he aint the one for you.How long did you lift before starting aas?

Well, Breal, I'm quite old. I lifted from age 18 till age 50 without aas. Then I quitted. I started again at age 54 in 2001 and did my first cycle in 2002 one year after having resumed. But anyway my coach wants me to start competition next year. He told me he never got lean mass quickly only about 22 pounds a year like me. That way he got from 58 kg to 97 kg, shredded, for 5ft 6. I went from 56 kg to 86 kg, hard, for 5 ft7.

wow...its amazing you made such progress at your age as it's very difficult at any age to do that, but have you ever thought about HRT(hormone replacement therapy)?

Basically you would always be on AAS...as at your age test levels are much lower than say a guy at age 35...making it extremely difficult or almost impossible to hang onto the weight after you stop. Get a full blood work done including liver values, cholesterol values, kidneys, Hormone levels (test - free test, estrogen, thyroid, etc.)

Also make sure that you continue eating large amounts of food after stopping AAS....I would suggest to your coach that maybe you should increase calories while on and even more so when off to see if that makes a difference. (Especially protein intake)

What's your total caloric intake and protein intake if you dont mind me asking?

If you do decide to do HRT I would say run test 200mg always....then when you decide to do a "cycle" add whatever your coach suggests.

At your age or any age for that matter its much easier to hang onto gains if you are running long cycles.

Go to the doctor first and get the blood test.

At your age make sure you take all the proper precautions.Good luck..

you need to run the drugs longer. you're ot giving yourself enough time. i'd up the doses, too. 500mg of sustanon is nothing when you break it down. 500mg of enanthate is way more effective. deca takes some time to begin working so when you cut it short at 3 weeks you're just beginning to see results. if you were to even run the deca from week one and drop the drol at 3 and go to 6 with the omna and deca you'd eliminate the drop off. what are you taking for pct and how long?

Geebee said:

He told me he never got lean mass quickly only about 22 pounds a year like me. That way he got from 58 kg to 97 kg, shredded, for 5ft 6. I went from 56 kg to 86 kg, hard, for 5 ft7.

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In my opinion, gaining 22lbs of SOLID muscle is not bad for a year's work.

Andy