1 & only 1

1 & only 1

  • Test Enan

    Votes: 11 42.3%

  • Test Prop

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • Test Cyp

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • Sust

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • Deca

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Total voters
    26
  • Poll closed .
WeightNc

WeightNc

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Ok here's the scenario:

It is your first cycle; you only have the option to use one type of gear for it. Your objective is to gain 20 pounds & keep the most of it. (Your diet is clean & workouts are great)

1. What would you use?

2. How long would you run it?

3. What would you use for PCT?
 
pretty much the same, but i'd do hcg for 5 days in the middle of the cycle @ 1000iu's ed, plus pct w/ nolva+hcg.
 
WeightNc said:
Ok here's the scenario:

It is your first cycle; you only have the option to use one type of gear for it. Your objective is to gain 20 pounds & keep the most of it. (Your diet is clean & workouts are great)

1. What would you use?

2. How long would you run it?

3. What would you use for PCT?
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I am going to assume you mean a bulk here- I have used sust for years and have used it alone and had good results from it(that and it was REALLY cheap to get). The enth would be my second choice.
I normally opt for longer cycles- 8-10 weeks(6 weeks mimimum)
PCT, I like clomid but have femara as the anti-e of choice.
 
test e for 12 weeks at 650mgs
pcts are nolva, liquidex,clomid and hcg at the end
nolva 30mgs everyday, liquidex 1mg every other day
clomid at the end with hcg 11 days after last shot.

worked great in the past and no gyno, but everyone is different.
and its a good cheap cycle.
 
I'd go enanthate at about 500mgs EW but for 16 weeks. I'm begining to be a fan of longer cycles. I know it's a first cycle but at 500mgs, I'm sure the body could take it.

You have pleanty of pct choices here that vary a bit, personally I like nolva instead of clomid.
 
jaywooly said:
I'd go enanthate at about 500mgs EW but for 16 weeks. I'm begining to be a fan of longer cycles. I know it's a first cycle but at 500mgs, I'm sure the body could take it.

I see your point, but at 16 weeks isn't that overkill for only seeking to gain 20 pounds?

NC
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I would say no, because when you go longer it will be easier later to keep those gains because the muscle will be on your frame longer so you're body will be used to having it. Quick gains will be lost quickly, but slower, steady gains will be kept longer.
 
WeightNc said:
jaywooly said:
I see your point, but at 16 weeks isn't that overkill for only seeking to gain 20 pounds?

NC
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Bro you have to be kidding me, 20lbs and you say keepable weight in 16 weeks, its next to impossible for most everyone to get 20 keepable pounds of lbm in a year or 2 years time, yet you think 16 weeks is overkill in time on gear because you only want to gain 20 lbs of lean body mass and keep it, WOW

if it were that easy my man i would weigh 5,000lbs by now, and this is no flame so dont take it as such but you are realy way way off base bro which is fine, live and learn right , so now you know and have learned its nearly impossible

granted it is ur first cycle and u will gain alot and keep it but 20lbs of lean mass you need to stay on a tad longer,lol
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Its possible to gain 20lbs in 16 weeks....granted enough food is consumed and training is correct. I've gained 30+lbs in only 12 weeks before...but as you gain more weight it becomes increasingly harder to put more pounds on.

I have a very hard time putting on weight if I'm over 190-195lbs regardless of what drugs are used and calorie intake. It seems as though once at that weight the ratio of fat to muscle gains becomes higher.

Its not this way for everyone but it seems to be for myself.
 
That was my point. The longer cycle would provide more gains. Being as though all you're putting in your body is 500mgs test, I say you'd be way fine with a longer cycle.
 
agree with the longer on will reveal and keep more lean body mass after a cycle, provided the proper stuff and precautions are taken.
I did EQ for 20 weeks and winny for 10 of it and i gqined 14.8lbs of lean muscle best cycle i ever did and only did test for 12 of that.

To gain more in a short period i would use like i do for my size and experience of 750mgs a week of TE, say if it were my first then 500mgs for say 15-16 weeks would be excellent but my body would shut down hard and definately use the pct's..
Nolva during and clomid after and nolva for a week after you last shot too or even 2.

most people fail to recognize that the test is still active and releasing into your blood stream and therefore still being needed of anti e's.

all in all I agree with presser and the guys for a longer cycle, unless you can afford it or its not available in that amount then increase you calorie and protein intake and that short but sweet cycle will do fine.
 
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yet you think 16 weeks is overkill in time on gear because you only want to gain 20 lbs of lean body mass and keep it, WOW
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I do not think it is overkill, I am asking a logical question.
I have known people who have gained 30+ on a 12-week cycle.

Therefore, it would seem 16 weeks of hard training & a high intake of clean food would gain a newbee at least 30.

I realize you do not retain all of your gains. That is why I posted gain 20 & keep most of it. Not gain 20 pounds & keep 20 pounds of lbm.

However, if the consensus here is to go 16 weeks out in order to keep more of the 20 pounds as lbm, so be it.
 
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BiggerStronger said:
Its possible to gain 20lbs in 16 weeks....granted enough food is consumed and training is correct. I've gained 30+lbs in only 12 weeks before...but as you gain more weight it becomes increasingly harder to put more pounds on.

I have a very hard time putting on weight if I'm over 190-195lbs regardless of what drugs are used and calorie intake. It seems as though once at that weight the ratio of fat to muscle gains becomes higher.

Its not this way for everyone but it seems to be for myself.
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yeah bro but he asked for keepable gains wich equate to lean body mass/muscle, that just isnt going to happen in 4 months time, unless he plans on keeping the water and fat as well,lol,yes i gained 30lbs my first ever cycle in 10 weeks time but it wasnt close to being all lean muscle, so yes im saying no one is going to keep gaining 20 lbs lean muscle in 16 weeks every time they hit a cycle,lol, its just not possible otherwise we would all be olympians and I personaly would weigh close to 5k pounds of rock hard muscle,lmao

I just dont want guys thinking its some magical shit and they can gain 20lbs of lbm in 4 months, just wana keep it real for the younger or less experienced bodybuilders out there
 
I hear ya presser. I don't want the newbies to think that either...If everything is done correctly someone should be able to keep at least 80% of their gains post cycle. How often does a newbie do everything correctly?....not too often.

I was just saying it could be possible to keep 20lbs on his first cycle if diet, training, and PCT is done correctly. (Overall he would have to be up close to 30lbs before finishing his cycle) I also don't want him to think that this will be the case with every cycle...After a few cycles guys are lucky to put on 8-10lbs with each one.

Just a reminder to all: AAS is a supplement. Its not a magic pill...it does not replace hard work, and dedication. It does not work miracles. Steroids work differently for everyone. One person might gain 30lbs in a cycle....another person using the same thing, and with the same diet might only gain 10lbs.
 
I'm doing test e 1000mg a week,
Bold 200 a week,
d-bols about 25 mg daily,
Lquidex daily.

and force feeding. all my PCT's are ready for a nice post receovery.

After last week of test, start Fina run for 30 days, HCG run for 2 days, and clomid run for 10 or more days, followup with Nolva.
 
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I have to agree with presser it isnt possible to gain 20+ lbs on lean keepable body weight. I can gain 25+lbs on a cycle but it will not be all lean muscle. After diet and muscle loss I say 5lbs is actually kept for me. If he is a newbie to AAS maybe 10lbs would be kept
 
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