Tren/Winny Cycle - these 2 ok alone?

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haverhillguy

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• Jul 28, 2004

• #1

I've read up alot and am planning to do a tren/winny cycle at the end of the summer... Mainly because of the fat loss and also because that's what a friend can get for me....

My main goal is to get lean and hard -

I've heard other people say don't do anything w/out a little test of some form..

What's everyone's take?

Also - will I need post cycle gear to get me back on track after?

This will be my 2nd cycle - did a deca/dbol cycle approx 2 years go

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6ft
235lbs
Don't know any other measurements...

 

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Alwayslearning

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• Jul 28, 2004

• #2

I'm doing something very similiar after this cycle. (Test/deca) I'll still be running a base of test and I'll drop the deca and run the tren for awhile and then go to the winny for awhile. I don't know about you but the winny makes me very irritable, so this may be a factor in how long I run it. I don't want to be a prick. I personally will always run test with anything I do. Just keep the proper ancillaries, nolva, arimidex, etc. on hand if bloat and gyno are a problem.

As far as PCT I've heard that tren shuts you down pretty hard (anyone else's thoughts) so I would run something PCT. You may be okay just tapering off slowly, however, but I wouldn't just stop all of a sudden one day.

 

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Cordoba

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• Jul 28, 2004

• #3

Those are people were correct you are going to want some test in their and almost everyone else here will tell you the samething.

Yes you will need post cycle theropy to bring your natural test production back up as soon as possible. 3 weeks of clomid at 50mg ED will work.

 

brew

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• Jul 29, 2004

• #4

bump the PCT stuff. I find that keeping my test at least 1:1 with my tren helps keep the tren sides down.

 

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haverhillguy

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• Jul 29, 2004

• #5

I really want to lean out - want to avoid any and all bloat if that's possible...

Will adding test for sure add bloat or is it a person by person kind of thing...

 

brew

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• Jul 29, 2004

• #6

It tends to be person to person as to the degree of water retention, but prop by far holds less water. I'm running 425 cyp and 350 prop as my test now and have minimal water retention.

 

BStrongBwell*

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• Jul 29, 2004

• #7

Tren/prop/winny is a good choice.

 

Prisoner#22

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• Jul 30, 2004

• #8

tren @ 75-100mg ed
winstrol oral @ 75 mg-100mg per day
depot @ 50mg/day

I advise the use of proviron instead of test prop, as it will give you the 'dht' component you need without having to worry about aromatization

@ cycle's end you can come off tren cold turkey, quit the proviron at the same time, and begin nolva or clomid if you like. Continue the winstrol for 2 additional weeks. Since none of this gear aromatises, nolva and clomid will not have the effect you might expect, since their mechanism of action is occupying the ER in the htpa - yet there is very little estrogen in your system from this cycle.

 

brew

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• Jul 30, 2004

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IMO that is way too much winny for a fist time user, he'll see damn good results at 35-40ED. Also, I don't like a cycle without test, essential IMO.

 

Prisoner#22

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• Jul 30, 2004

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The dose depends also on the person's body weight. Yes He could cut these doses in half - I tend to just give the doses that I have found work well for myself. I weigh around 220-230 lbs. And yes Test could be used, but in my opinon test is not essencial for a good cycle, especially if it is a cutting cycle. Proviron will give you all the benifits of test for this cycle, without the extra water retention or need for ancillaries.

 

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haverhillguy

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• Jul 30, 2004

• #11

So you're saying take the tren and winny every day? Thought it was EOD...

And I like your idea of the proviron - I'm not looking to add any more mass... all set there... just looking to define the muscle I have - and hopefully shed fat

 

brew

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• Jul 31, 2004

• #12

EOD will work for tren, but I have a personaly prefference for ED. Winny 1/2 life is much shaorter, so I would defenitely go ED on it.

 

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haverhillguy

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• Aug 2, 2004

• #13

Thanks bud...