3rd cycle critque

my stats are as follows:6ft 235lbs 16%bf age 25

my cycle is as follows:

wk1-4 d-bol 40mg/ed
wk1-16 test eth 750mg/wk
wk 1-15 tren eth 500mg/wk
wk 1-16 EQ 500mg/wk
wk 11-16 halo 20mg/ed

PCT is as follows: wks 18-20 nolva 20mg/ed, clomid 100mg/ed, hcg 500ius-wk 1-16, and eod until pct starts. should i use femera to control bloat?

i am going to eat 5000 caleries today,472g protein,250g carbs,150g fat. i am doing 30min cardio 3x week to minimize bf increase.

what should i do to keep gains besides pct, ie protien and calerie intake, i know i still have to train. how many caleries should i eat to maintain and how many grams of protien should i take in?

two things...i would not use 500iu/wk of hcg for the duration of your cycle, that's just more aromatization than needs to be going on. if you take 500iu's/day for five days every 5 weeks i'd say you're better off. this is what i do personally and i like it a lot.

are you mainly cutting or bulking? your calorie count is actually 4238 calories/day. i'd like to see you bump your carbs up to 450g /day...this would give you 5038 cal/day.

bionic redneck said:

my stats are as follows:6ft 235lbs 16%bf age 25

my cycle is as follows:

wk1-4 d-bol 40mg/ed
wk1-16 test eth 750mg/wk
wk 1-15 tren eth 500mg/wk
wk 1-16 EQ 500mg/wk
wk 11-16 halo 20mg/ed

PCT is as follows: wks 18-20 nolva 20mg/ed, clomid 100mg/ed, hcg 500ius-wk 1-16, and eod until pct starts. should i use femera to control bloat?

i am going to eat 5000 caleries today,472g protein,250g carbs,150g fat. i am doing 30min cardio 3x week to minimize bf increase.

what should i do to keep gains besides pct, ie protien and calerie intake, i know i still have to train. how many caleries should i eat to maintain and how many grams of protien should i take in?

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First are you a powerlifter? If not, then I would definitely consider losing some BF before starting this cycle because from your post it seems that this will be a bulk cycle.
I defintely would not use HCG for the entire cycle- you don't need it and there is a big possibility of estro uptake and you don't want that. I would consider using femara 2.5mg/EOD during the cycle. Also how will you be injecting the tren/enth?
I would also ditch the halo- that is more of a powerlifting contest/bodybuilding precontest oral, and you will get the same results (hardness, etc) from the tren. Save the halo for a cutting cycle - the best results from the BB aspect are when your BF is low. I also might consider adding T3 to the mix, but its not a necessity.
How about some more info.. What were your results of your past cycles?

well im not a bodybuuilder im a construction worker,no flame intended, ill drop the halo, im injecting test eth M,W,F: tren eth tues and thurs, and eq M,W,F. my first two cycles were test and d-bol and i gained roughly 15-20 on both but lost most of it due to no pct because i was in high school and uneducated. i did a cycle of test eth and deca in march-april-may but didnt finish due to probs with my ex wife. i know my bf is a lil high but im gonna do a 12wk cutter 16 wks after i finish my 16 wk bulker so i am not orrries plus i was told that tren and eq help control bf plus ill be doing cardio 3x wk to help with bf also.

oh yeah how would i keep my gains besides pct and training what should i do do maintain my gains, as far as protien intake, caleries etc...

bionic redneck said:

well im not a bodybuuilder im a construction worker,no flame intended, ill drop the halo, im injecting test eth M,W,F: tren eth tues and thurs, and eq M,W,F. my first two cycles were test and d-bol and i gained roughly 15-20 on both but lost most of it due to no pct because i was in high school and uneducated. i did a cycle of test eth and deca in march-april-may but didnt finish due to probs with my ex wife. i know my bf is a lil high but im gonna do a 12wk cutter 16 wks after i finish my 16 wk bulker so i am not orrries plus i was told that tren and eq help control bf plus ill be doing cardio 3x wk to help with bf also.

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Well tren and eq can help in BF control, however the results won't be that evident because of your diet. Tren and eq are great in cutting cycles when your cals and carbs are reduced,and cardio is increased. I think you will probably need to do a 16 week cut instead of a 12 week cut due to the added BF you will probably incur.
I would suggest begining that with 4 weeks of dieting and cardio(no drugs), then add the AS and other supps in week 5-16. Remember here it not about a lot of AS but more so using AS to retain the muscle while your are dieting down. Are your an endomorph?
If so watch the carbs , even while bulking and even more so when cutting- they are a bitch....
As far as keeping gains post cycle, PCT is very important. As you found out, you lost most of your gains due to lack of PCT. You need to keep the same caloric intake for at least 5 weeks to let your body get used to the new weight BEFORE you consider cutting back the cals.

I agree with everything said, but, I would like to add that 500mg of tren enth on your first tren cycle is too much IMO. Especially since it is a long ester. The sides can be unbearable for some.

Diet is absolutly the key to the changes made, not the drugs. With that said, tren suppresses my appetite tremendously. I end up force feeding myself my protein and getting a relatively small amount of carbs compared to my "normal" eating habits.

Everyone reacts differently to different drugs, however, that would be a cutting cycle for me. I would bloat up at first with the dbol, but in the end I would be leaner with more muscle mass.

At 750mg of test you definitely want to use some type of anti e. Otherwise you will be bloated and most likely having gyno problems. I prefer extremestane (aromasin) for any cycle over with test over 700mg. See the sticky in this forum.

As far as keeping gains, if you use hcg and nolva or clomid at the end, keep the protein high, and train hard, that should not be a problem at the level your at now.

EatingMachine said:

I agree with everything said, but, I would like to add that 500mg of tren enth on your first tren cycle is too much IMO. Especially since it is a long ester. The sides can be unbearable for some.

Diet is absolutly the key to the changes made, not the drugs. With that said, tren suppresses my appetite tremendously. I end up force feeding myself my protein and getting a relatively small amount of carbs compared to my "normal" eating habits.

Everyone reacts differently to different drugs, however, that would be a cutting cycle for me. I would bloat up at first with the dbol, but in the end I would be leaner with more muscle mass.

At 750mg of test you definitely want to use some type of anti e. Otherwise you will be bloated and most likely having gyno problems. I prefer extremestane (aromasin) for any cycle over with test over 700mg. See the sticky in this forum.

As far as keeping gains, if you use hcg and nolva or clomid at the end, keep the protein high, and train hard, that should not be a problem at the level your at now.

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Excellent follow up.... For me, I don't have the appetite issue with tren. Some people also experience that with drol, but I don't see that- goes again to say that people react differently to different supps.

yes i am an endomorph and yes ill prolly do a 16wk cutter afterwards,mmx. AND EATING MACHINE ill have nolva on hand. but can i drop my caleries from 5000/ed to saay 3000-3500 with high protien and training hard and still keep my gains? isnt there a way to tell how many caleries needed to maintain i forgot wher i saw it if yall remember lease tell me or give me a link to find out, id appreciate it just ilike i appreciate all the advice

bionic redneck said:

yes i am an endomorph and yes ill prolly do a 16wk cutter afterwards,mmx. AND EATING MACHINE ill have nolva on hand. but can i drop my caleries from 5000/ed to saay 3000-3500 with high protien and training hard and still keep my gains? isnt there a way to tell how many caleries needed to maintain i forgot wher i saw it if yall remember lease tell me or give me a link to find out, id appreciate it just ilike i appreciate all the advice

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If you decide to drop the cals, then you really don't need that much AS because you are then maintaining LBM. I think you need to bulk at the original cals as you had intended. That is my opinion.

You are probably thinking of the HarrisBenedict formula. It goes like this:

There are two steps to calculating the HBF.
Step 1

Harris Benedict Formula for Men
BMR = 66 + (13.7 X weight in kilos) + (5 X height in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)

Notes:
1 inch = 2.54 cm.
1 kilogram = 2.2 lbs.

Example of BMR
You are 25 years old
You are 6 feet tall
Your weight is 220 pounds
Your BMR is 66 + (1370) + (914) - (170) = 2180 calories

Harris Benedict Formula for Men - STEP 2
To determine your total daily calorie needs, now multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:

If you are Sedentary - little or no exercise
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.2
If you are Lightly Active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week)
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.375
If you are Moderately Active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week)
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.55
If you are Very Active = BMR X 1.725 (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/week)
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.725
If you are Extra Active (very hard daily exercise/sports & physical job or 2X day training)
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.9

Total Calorie Needs Example
If you are lightly active, multiply your BMR (2180) by 1.375 = 2997
Your total daily calorie requirement is therefore 2997 calories.
This is the total number of calories you need in order to MAINTAIN your current weight.

mmx2, I've never seen that formula before. That is pretty cool. I'll have to see how close it comes to my real world maintenance calories.

It was a bit low for me. According to the formula I need 3569 calories to maintain. In the real world I am between 4800 and 5000. I have always been a hard gainer, I think my metabolism must be higher than most.

Bionic redneck, you really should know what your current maintenance calories are. When you get through with your cycle, determine how much lean mass you have gained and adjust your diet accordingly IMO.

My diet is based on protein. I find my lean body mass and get 2 grams of protein per lb every day. I spread the protein over my 6 meals as evenly as possible. Carbs are done by feel. I eat them for energy as required tapering down their intake at the end of the day.

Since most of the foods I eat are low fat I think that supplementing with olive oil, flax oil or cod liver oil is a must. I take in at least 2 tablespoons of one of those per day.

Periodically I write down my entire eating plan on a spread sheet and total up the percentages of Protein/carbs/fats. I also make sure that no one meal is too far off of my target intake for that meal.

EatingMachine said:

It was a bit low for me. According to the formula I need 3569 calories to maintain. In the real world I am between 4800 and 5000. I have always been a hard gainer, I think my metabolism must be higher than most.

Bionic redneck, you really should know what your current maintenance calories are. When you get through with your cycle, determine how much lean mass you have gained and adjust your diet accordingly IMO.

My diet is based on protein. I find my lean body mass and get 2 grams of protein per lb every day. I spread the protein over my 6 meals as evenly as possible. Carbs are done by feel. I eat them for energy as required tapering down their intake at the end of the day.

Since most of the foods I eat are low fat I think that supplementing with olive oil, flax oil or cod liver oil is a must. I take in at least 2 tablespoons of one of those per day.

Periodically I write down my entire eating plan on a spread sheet and total up the percentages of Protein/carbs/fats. I also make sure that no one meal is too far off of my target intake for that meal.

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Em, you are right - its only an approximation and doesn't really take into account metabolisms, body type, etc but its gets you in the ballpark especially for newbies. who need a starting point.
I also agree with writing down your eating plan. One thing I ask clients to do when I am designing a pogram for them is to write everything down they eat for an entire week. They are very surprised what they eat(too much or too little of) in the span of a week.

Yes mmx2, that is the best formula that I have seen. Your also right that it would most likely be much closer for newbies than someone that has been training for a long time.

My body really only wants to be 175 lbs lean. I am having to eat a lot of food to make it carry 215 and stay relatively lean. A newbie most likely is not that much over their original set point.