just a observation

i don't want to be getting off on the wrong side of people,but could some one answer me this.i just joined the board,so i'am looking at everything when i get to competiors pics..i see upteen pictures of vanderV..ok he looks good but i could see that from the first ten pictures.not only a gazillion pictures but won't talk about gear..I had to back out of site to see if gotten to a musle & fitness forum with pretty pictures where we don't talk gear but about protien,carbs,etc...did I miss something in the title MUSCLECHEMISTRY.COM or is this why i failed chemistry,because I didn't know what it is ???? just a question

That forum is for competitors to post pics of themselves. Sometimes your asked what your diet is or what gear you're taking. But usually you have to be asked. I wouldn't post a pic of myself and say, "Yep, 2 grams of test a week and this is what it got me."

Vander is going for his pro card I beleive so I'm sure he doesn't much want to talk about what "supliments" he taking right out in the open.

Read up bro...there's plenty of info about gear in this site. You will also see that without all the other info (protein/carbs/supplements/diet/training/rest) that gear is pointless. There's a million forums on every single topic, you'll find everything you're looking for, plus some! Enjoy.

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i totaly agree alot of good info,was just wondering why people would come to this site and not want to talk about gear and help the rest of us. thats why i joined to learn and help out where i can. as i have competed,judged and held several bodybuilding shows. have to give back to the sport. i had bob chicerrllo and russ testo guest pose at my shows for free,that should say something

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jaywooly,i understand,but he was asked like three times..thats all don't want to beat a dead horse.here to make friends!!!

Some kids don't like to share with the other kids--either that or he just wanted to show himself off to those of us who will probably never look like that (even with help).

aha yes

thats what i was thinking.thanks for saying it

Depends if you were not a citizen of the US- but I got bitched slapped too for asking but I can understand his hestitance...

well dick, how did you get name....

[/QUOTE] either that or he just wanted to show himself off to those of us who will probably never look like that (even with help). [/B][/QUOTE]

that is the first honest thing I have read on here. I don't want to make anyone mad but I feel the same about some of these guys . They are spending thousands and have nothing else to do but look pretty and work out. jealous.. yeah a little but damn bro... help others get to your level. it's awful lonely at the top.... besides he has a long way to go to reach Cutler and Colman...

Why don't you think they have anything else to do than look pretty?

I just wish that all I had to do was work out and pose for the camera. like I said ...jealous...yeah....
IMO I don't like the GQ muscle man. I mean hey if you achieved great results from a certain cycle or routine then help the rest of us out. As dick stated isn't this what this site is about? Are we all not here to share and learn from those that are at the pro level?

4 toomy

well tommy some of us act like dicks,then some of us R real dicks....I'am a real dick....BE A DICK

besides Tommy..... if your not a dick then you must be a cowboy.

either that or he just wanted to show himself off to those of us who will probably never look like that (even with help). [/QUOTE]

that is the first honest thing I have read on here. I don't want to make anyone mad but I feel the same about some of these guys . They are spending thousands and have nothing else to do but look pretty and work out. jealous.. yeah a little but damn bro... help others get to your level. it's awful lonely at the top.... besides he has a long way to go to reach Cutler and Colman... [/B][/QUOTE]

You say, "Help others get to your level."

I would wager anyone of the MODS on this site and alot of members could answer any questions you had about gear. What, do you think he's got some little secret that we don't know about yet?

The guy was blessed with superior genetics. Leave him alone.

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I would wager anyone of the MODS on this site and alot of members could answer any questions you had about gear. What, do you think he's got some little secret that we don't know about yet?
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Exactly! Use MC as a research tool, not somewhere to be spoon-fed on what to take to look a certain way. Just because 1 person doesn't reveal what he/she is taking, doesn't mean everyone is like that. I agree with you to an extent on how you see someone jacked up like that and want to know what they are on, but that's their right to not say anything. There are many others that do reveal what they are taking. Just gotta do the research.

Like I stated that I'm not looking to make enemies. I just don't understand why you would post on MC if you are not willing to share your info also. I'm not looking for exact doses and the like.. just wondering if I need something else to boost what I'm doing. Someone like that could give great advise. Just an observation that is all.

I hear ya bro. I don't think anyone here wants enemies, I don't at all. It definitely would be better if everyone posted exactly what they are taking and pics/results, but they don't have to. I was just defending the site because I find a lot of useful information here that has helped me out a lot.

I agree with firefrye that Zander could give great advice, but as Dick pointed out, he was asked three times nicely but wouldn't say anything (not like there's really a secret to what he did), and normally (repeat, NORMALLY) one will give some form of advice when asked how they were able to achieve their results, _especially_ when one posts to a site whose purpose is to discuss those very things (nutrition, performance enhancing substances, etc.) that helped them get that way. You naturally end up asking yourself, "why did he post here (with all his pics) then if he doesn't want to discuss anything--maybe he just wanted to show himself off?" However, when it comes down to it, the guy does have the choice to tell all or say nothing at all. I am really impressed by Zander's physique, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous (I'm in no way genetically blessed like he is), and I'm disappointed that he doesn't want to share, but if he wants to keep secrets, then let him. I've done really well considering my circumstances, and I'm no worse off for not hearing his "secrets." The mods have helped me a lot this year, and I try to return the favor when I can (thanks, guys!). I've come further in my training in the last year than the last three years combined on my own. For example, I broke through the 225 barrier this year and am now maxing out at 275 for the bench press. Adding 50 lbs to your bench is no small feat within a year.

enough all ready

nice to see all the buzz the thead created....does he have a little know secret that we don't know about.....very possiable..i trained my ass off for 3 1/2 years ...2 years on...got fairly big ,resonably strong,squating about 600#...ended up backstage at the nationals....was told to sit at this table after the (post contest party)the conections were made...two trainers one being IFBB pro. he let me in on a few secrets..within 3 months after jr nationals (176 1/4 class) was 238 5-6 % b/f squating 805...it wasn't what i was taking but how & when...Only 5' 6"....but here to help and get help awesome site