First Cycle Suggestions

Ok in a year i'm going to be crossing over to the "darkside" lol. And I'm either going to be using deca/test/d-bol, or eq/test/d-bol, now i have ppl telling me that if i use the deca/test/d-bol stack i'll be so bloated that i'll look like the marshmellow man, do you think i could keep bloat under control if i used the deca/test/d-bol stack along with some Femara and 2.5 mg a day? If it's a necessary evil and i have to put up with hold alot of water i'll do it cause your put on the most mass on your first cycle and i am NOT going to sacrifice gains because of some water. So here is what i'm thinking:

weeks 1-6 30mg d-bol
weeks 1-12 400mg deca
weeks 1-12 500mg test E

Or

weeks 1-6 30mg d-bol
weeks 1-12 400mg Equipoise
weeks 1-12 500mg Test E

I'd run Femara at 2.5 mg a day throughout with some clomid/nolvadex for pct, which one do you think i should go for, i'm just wanna milk my first cycle for AS MUCH size as possible .

sounds good either way bro'...i would drop he d-bol down from 6 wks to maybe 4 or 5 4 would be dieal for your first cycle...but most important you need to make sure your diet is on track and consistent. Also that you are getting enough rest and ecerise....post some stats and tell us a bit mroe about yourself. This is a classic cycle for a first timer so either way you cant really go wrong..Md

bump either way is good...I like eq or deca but thats personal preference. I think you'd be good with 2.5 EOD with that amount of test.....not a bad idea to get a bottle of nolv just in case....you got the PCT nailed?

I think you will like the test/deca/dbol cycle alot. That is what I ran for my first cycle only with half the dosages you are using. I've heard great things about eq as well but have never tried it yet...For max mass and strength though I believe most would say to go with the first.

I'm currently 260lbs at around 15% bodyfat maybe alittle higher, and i'm cutting with clen, M1T and 4-ad. I'm 6'2 and i've been training for 6 years. My diet, and sleep habits are always impecable i put on 30lbs on my first prohormones cycle! It was 4-ad+1-test transdermal for 8 weeks. I am a easy gainer, and my training would best be desribed as powerbuilding.

Oh yeah and I will be 20 when I do my first cycle.

I don't have the PCT nailed so i would appreciate some advice on that.

Make your first cycle an enjoying time. 2-250mg. test E each week for 6 weeks / 4 off / back to 6 weeks. nO, really I don't know. Good luck

The thing i'm being told over at another board that i belong to (hardcorecanadians) is that Deca shuts you down hard and shouldn't be used in a first cycle and also that I should run a test only cycle and not bother stacking anything. Any opinions on this?

Well, I have not had a probelm with deca shutting me down hard but at the same time i dont bloat that much either.

I dont see anything wrong with a deca/test cycle for your first. My only suggestion would be to leave out the dbol for your first since I"ve seen alot of ppl injure themselves b/c they dont realize that muscle strength doesnt equal tendon strength when your grwoing at that rate.

I would say run either Tribulous or HCG with Nol for PCT to ensure that you bring your boys back. Or you could also run it in the middle of the cycle so you dont shut down so much.

Your already a big guy, half of the bonus of Eq is the hunger from what I understand, looks like you dont have a problem eating. Ummmm your just wanting RAW MASS? Inches in anyway shape or form? Then go with Test E and Eq, you will keep a lot, if you dont want water use femera, might want to throw in some winny at the end to tighten things up a bit. If youve got the $$ for it. Anyone mention Anadrol, thats hardcore stuff though, stronger than D-Bol. How do you cut with M1T??? I put on mad weight while on M1T and tons of water. What gives? Shoot me your M1T diet and cardio routine and dosages, how do you run M1t for 8 weeks? Ive got $300 of all kinds of PH's I need to try. Methyl-D, MOHN, and M1T. What is Methyl-D good for? You might know more than me.

Well some ppl dont get the increased appetite from EQ, i never have. Personally i would say you want brute size and strength go with the deca you will add mass and with the proper diet and PCT you'll keep most of it. And Bloat isnt a probelm.

Chaps said:

The thing i'm being told over at another board that i belong to (hardcorecanadians) is that Deca shuts you down hard and shouldn't be used in a first cycle and also that I should run a test only cycle and not bother stacking anything. Any opinions on this?

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From what I've gathered, deca when taken for reasonable amounts of time (i.e. 10 weeks or so) and at moderate dosages (300-400mgs/week) is a drug with very little side effects. I'm willing to bet most who have used this drug and are haters, used it in too high a dose, for too long a period, or did not have the proper pct when finished. If using deca I would opt for 10 weeks between 300-400mgs/week. I used 250 mgs first cycle and grew like a weed with zero side effects. Others may disagree...or had different experiences...

Methyl-D I've never tried, on paper it's more anabolic but less androgenic than M1T but just listening to the feed back of users tells you that M1T is still way stronger. I myself have only done 1 prohormone cycle, this M1T cutter is actually my first time using M1T, so i'll let you know how it goes. I'm actually only 4 days into using the M1t+4-ad, but i've been on clen for 4 weeks and my bodyweight is still 260 but i've lost some noticable fat. I'd say stick with 1-test/4-ad or M1T. I plan on running an 8 week cycle of 600mg of 1-test and 600mg of 4-ad for my next bulker. And ya eating has never been a problem for me, lol I love to eat what can i say, you put it infront of me and it's gone, lol. My current diet consists of: 2600calories 325g's Protein 130 carbs and 87g's fat all from efa's. This diet is a 50/20/30 split and is working very well for me. I'm holding on to all of my muscle while fat is slowly but surely dripping off me. So i'm currently taking:

15mg M1T
400mg 4-ad
1g Milk Thistle
ZMA
Glutamine 50g's
Whey Protein
Gatoraide
Clenbuterol 160mcg

I workout 5 days a week with 45 minutes of cardio 6 days a week, with my heart rate at 130-140, and the cardio is done post-workout. I also ingest all of my carbs post-workout, so 60g's or so in my post-workout shake then 60g's an hour later in the form of low glycemic index carbs. Just to let you guys know i'm an easy gainer and i train for size and strength. I also look to manipulate my diet/supplements as much as possible to milk my training for all it's worth.

When i get paid also intend of adding in some Sesathin, a protein blend, some CEE, multi, yohimbine HCL and some Glucophase XR. My ultimate goal it to weigh somewhere in the 350lb range with abs and be able to move around soem freaky poundages. I'm 4 weeks into my diet and bodyfat looks like i'm down around 8lbs of fat or so, i'm very pleased with this. I'm running this diet for 12-14 weeks in hopes of getting to my all time most shredded, i also intend of running another M1t/4-ad cycle for the last 4 weeks of cutting. I'll keep you guys posted and thanx for the suggestions, I think i'm going to go with the:

weeks 1-12 400mg deca
weeks 1-12 500mg test E
weeks 1-4 30mg D-bol
weeks 1-12 2.5mg Femara

and i'll also use some HCG in there to keep the boys in the game along with some Nolvadex. I figure in a years time when i decide to do this stack i should have my bodyweight at around the 270-280 mark so this stack should bump me up to the big 300!