First Cycle need help please

I have been training for 3 1/2 years. I am 5'6 1/2 and right now I weight 153.5. My body fat is about 10-12%. My waist is at a 29-30'' my bi are 16''. Nice quads, calves. My goal is to add 10-12 pounds of lean muscle with not to much water retention, and I would like to keep most of my gains. PCT is nolvadex during and clomid after. My diet is great. I am cutting right not. I eat fish fish fish, chicken chicken chicken, and green beans, tuna, sweet potatos every once in a while. I DON'T lift stupid and sloppy. I have taken every that at GNC, I worked there. I love 1-TU by Nutrex, had great gains of strength. Equipoise sounds nice. I just don't know what to run. Test Eth? Eq or Test Cyp? Need help. Thank You
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Why are you cutting right now bro?
If 10-12 lbs is your goal, you can accomplish that through diet and no supps.
You need to increase your caloric intake slowly.

A typical beginner cycle would be Test E and Deca or Test E and Eq for 10 weeks, with Nolvadex and Clomid. Bump your calories up and eat lots of protein. How much mass are you wanting to gain? More info. needed.

Southern Comfor said:

A typical beginner cycle would be Test E and Deca or Test E and Eq for 10 weeks, with Nolvadex and Clomid. Bump your calories up and eat lots of protein. How much mass are you wanting to gain? More info. needed.

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He's only looking for 10-12 lbs.. You really don't need AS to achieve that IMHO.

I was just offering an example. I saw that he was 5'6, once your body has quit growing its hard to gain weight, or at least LBM.

Southern Comfor said:

I was just offering an example. I saw that he was 5'6, once your body has quit growing its hard to gain weight, or at least LBM.

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I think you are correct in that we need more info-we don't know how old he is. I just want to make the point that throwing AS to gain 10lbs everytime isn't always the good thing to do since we know his diet is lacking increased caloric intake. To your point, I think a test only cycle would be an option- the simpler the better provided that he increases his caloric intake- otherwise it defintely would be a wasted effort.

I agree with MMX. You can get that amount of weight through diet. If he's old enough he could go with a test only cycle to help, but I'd think he'd gain more than 10-12 pounds. If he's trying to gain, there really is no sense in trying to cut.

Would 500mg of Test E/week for 10 weeks put on 10lbs? I was always under the impression that you lost a lot of your gains on Test only cycles.

Southern Comfor said:

Would 500mg of Test E/week for 10 weeks put on 10lbs? I was always under the impression that you lost a lot of your gains on Test only cycles.

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I never heard that and I have been doing cycle than most of these guys have been alive. Just remember your diet and PCT drive the results not the supplementation(that is the key its only supplementation to the needed cornerstones). Test only cycles are easy and can yield good gains.
I would not bullshit you about that. Most newbies want to add the kitchen sink and its just not necessary when starting out.

So for a first cycle would Test at 500 and Eq at 400 per week for 10 weeks be over kill? Would that be closer to 15lbs? Reason I ask is because Im planning a Test E/Eq/Winny cycle for mid summerf or 12 weeks and I dont have ANY heavy cycle like that under my belt. 1.)Never ran Test that high 2.) Never ran Eq before 3.) Never ran a cycle this long.... I just want to stay super lean and put on maybe 15lbs. My diet is in CHECK. Ive been "shedding" body fat for about 1.5 months now to get lean enough to run this cycle. Ive gone from 189 to 179 over the past 6 weeks. I told myself if I can stay stable at 175 and about 12%BF I wont have to worry about putting on a little extra fat while on cycle. Since dieting down and hammering cardio my strength is gone and Ive lost a good bit of hard earned muscle, especially in my legs. So for my sake, would that cycle Im referring to be overkill? Thanks for the help MMX2

More is not always better. I like test only cycles for newbies for two reasons:
1. its easy to remember- all you need is two things the test and PCT.
2. its economical - a lot of guys are on a budget and test is relatively cheap.
If you are cutting, there is no need to run any AS high. The objective is to maintain what muscle you have in the process of shedding BF. Test/EQ/winny is not a bad cycle. If you plan to use test-e I would strongly suggest something like femara to help with the possible water. Now- if your goals have changed and you want to gain muscle and bulk then you could conceivably raise the dosages but of course sides increase.
Is there a reason you decide on that combo- just curious? Nothing wrong with stacking I just want to make the point that for him its not necessary to thrown the kitchen sink in so early into the process.

I am 22. I am cutting down to get back in my board-shorts. I put on a good 10-15lbs during the winter. I live in Fl so I need to hit the beach. My back is cutting up nice, but my friends are telling me I am getting to small. I just want to put on 10-12 pounds of LEAN muscle and keep it. I have paid trainers and friends a lot of money. I bet I have spent over $2500 on sups. I eat very very clean. I want to run a cycle in June or July. So what kind of test should I go with.

Ive got femera and am running it right now with my prop/winny/clen cycle, no water at all! The reason I chose this combo(Test E/Eq/Winny) is because I want add LEAN mass, I wouldnt call it bulking, if I wanted to bulk I would try something like D-Bol, Deca, Sus 250. All of which are going to add a lot of water and A LOT of weight gain. Im trying to gain lean muscle and keep fat gain at a min. I know diet will be key, but you are going to have to take in LOTS of cals and a good bit of carbs to put on mass. Im going to try keeping my carbs in the 300g a day range.

D_Frank, do your research, there are 4 different kinds of Tests... Eth, Prop, Cyp, and Suspension... from what I have learned about prop is it doesnt add much mass and hurts lol, Cyp is almost identical to Eth, just with more water. And suspension is for super hard gainers, more water than I think you are looking for. You are still going to have to try and get in about 5k cals a day prolly close to 300gs of protein and 400gs of carbs a day. get your carbs from brown rice, sweet potatoes, baked potatoes, stay away from breads. Im thinking you could gain 10lbs easy on a Test E 500mg/week cycle with the noted diet and hard training, PCT would be clomid and have Nolv. on hand incase of puffy nips. What you think MMX2?

D-Frank, it would look something like this without the D-Bol, if you have M1T, or can find it, it would be pretty effective at 10mg Ed in place of the D-Bol. Same Pct of course.
Week Supplement /MG /Week Supplement /MG Supplement/ MG Supplement/ MG
1 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg D-Bol/30 mg/day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
2 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg D-Bol/30 mg/day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
3 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg D-Bol/30 mg/day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
4 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg D-Bol/30 mg/day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
5 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
6 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
7 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
8 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
9 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
10 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day mg/Day
11 Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
12 Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
13 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
14 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day
15 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day


Clomid Therapy

Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7
Week 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg
Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg
Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg


Notes About Novice Cycle #1: This is a very simple beginner cycle that will add a good amount of new mass provided the user has a good diet. D-Bol doses should be split into 4-6 doses per day

Warnings About Novice Cycle #1: Nolvadex should be kept on hand in case you start to feel signs of gyno throughout the cycle.

MMX2, this is what I was thinking for me, Except, Eq instead of the Deca at 400 per week and run the combo for 12 weeks, starting Winny at week 9-14. What you think, good quality lean mass. Id have the same diet as noted about except a lot less carbs, and have a carb shut off time of about 2pm daily.
Week Supplement /MG /Week Supplement /MG /Week Supplement /MG Supplement /MG Supplement /MG
1 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
2 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
3 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
4 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
5 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
6 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
7 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Winstrol 50mg/Day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
8 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Winstrol 50mg/Day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
9 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Winstrol 50mg/Day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
10 Testosterone Enanthate/300 - 500 mg Deca/ 200 - 400 mg Winstrol 50mg/Day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
11 Winstrol 50mg/Day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
12 Winstrol 50mg/Day Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
13 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
14 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day
15 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day