Q's on synthol

lee_marvin

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I have a few questions about synthol.
1.) What is the smallest size pin I can use (original pump n pose)?
2.) What can I do to prevent lumps, bumps (I am considering using it in my calves)
3.) How deep should I shoot it?
4.) I am unsure about this, but I have heard that even if you pull back on the syringe, and there is no blood, that the oil can end up working its way into the bloodstream, and into the heart, brain etc. If this is true, I would never use it.
Can anyone give me the straight scoop?
Thanks guys...
 
I like to use a 25gx1" pin for the injections.
You need to make sure you inject deep into the muscle which means the whole needle goes in. Make sure you know where the blood vessels are.
If you do a search on Synthetek on this site, there is a lot of information, including info from Big A. I have not used the PnP product, but have used the Synthetek product this season and am very pleased with the results.
 
lee_marvin said:
I have a few questions about synthol.
1.) What is the smallest size pin I can use (original pump n pose)?
2.) What can I do to prevent lumps, bumps (I am considering using it in my calves)
3.) How deep should I shoot it?
4.) I am unsure about this, but I have heard that even if you pull back on the syringe, and there is no blood, that the oil can end up working its way into the bloodstream, and into the heart, brain etc. If this is true, I would never use it.
Can anyone give me the straight scoop?
Thanks guys...

Original PumpNPose is ONLY available from Chris Clark himself. pm me for his email. Everyone else sells fakes of it, including counterfitters like pumpnpose.com, etc
1.Real PnP is very thick, so you will need a 21g. The most refined SEO on the
market is Syntherol that goes through a 28g. That is why it outsells every other SEO out there.
2.You have to inject it VERY slowly, using the smallest possible needle. Then you have to massage the hell out of it all day every day as well as stretch. YOu do it right, you should NEVER get any lumps. You are getting lumps, you are not doing it right.
3.The injections have to be IM. So obviously have a needle deep enough to be IM in the bodypart that yoou use.
4. That is a myth initiated by eneducated people on the subject. SEOs are not any more dangerous to iject than any other oil including gear oil. The only difference between them is that SEO's are much longer chain of oils as such they take longer to dissipate, that's why they work.
 
Here's my article on the subject:

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The most popular now are Synthol/PumpnPose, Syntherol, EsikClean, Nuclear Nutrition Site Oil and Liquid Muscle.

Synthol/PumpnPose is the original product. As such, it charges a lot of money and it's the most expensive variant as it relies on it's name to sell it - the cheapest found is $149.95. There must be a lot of fakes out there since the inventor of it, Chris Clark, charges a wholesale price of over $100 per bottle (and that's for large quantity), so there's no way that some outfits can retail it for $100. The only official distributor for PnP is www.posingoil.com

Syntherol is my favourite simply because is the only one that I know of that is made by a real pharmaceutical company, so guaranteed sterile, plus it hurts less and the results seem to be better - don't take my word for it, ask around! It's the same formula as Synthol/PumpnPose, with added silica, which is a safe way to make the gains more 'permanent'. It's also the number 1 best selling Site Oil in the world, so they must be doing something right! And Synthetek (the maker of Syntherol) is the only company to offer a double money back guarantee and they never had any complaints from any customer from anywhere in the world! By far my choice, plus, it's cheap - $129.95. www.synthetek.com

EsikClean - same formula as Synthol, but it has colagen added. That makes it a very bad choice to use in my opinion. When you use site oils, the biggest problem is the formation of scar tissue. You don't want any scar tissue build up when you use site oils. Scar tissue is colagen buildup due to the trauma caused to the muscle by sticking a needle in there. As such, I would not help the build up of scar tissue in the muscle by injecting colagen. So, that's a bad choice. $100 per bottle www.synthol-direct.com Plus these are the people that counterfited Chris Clark's PnP and Synthetek's Syntherol, so one wonders how 'genuine' they are. Their associated websites are www.synthol.com, www.finalabs.com, www.zoelabs.com, www.pumpnpose.com I strongly recommend that people stay away from them!

Nuclear Nutrition Oil - is a very good product, which works quite well. It's exactly as Syntherol, plus the addition of a small amount of prohormones. I am not a big fan of prohormones due to the reason that they will give you more side effects than benefits. Also, because of the prohormones, you cannot import it into countries like Canada or Australia, where prohormones are illegal. Still a good product - $149.95 www.nuclearnutrition.com

Liquid Muscle - same as PumpnPose, but at $199.95 per bottle. However, I can't find too much about it and about who makes it, as it seems as a small outfit and as such I have trouble trusting it 100%, especially when I am supposed to inject their stuff into MY body. www.liquidmuscle.com

There's a few other brands, but the above are the most well known. The other brands available, I personally would not trust since they come from very small outfits, so you don't know whether they are sterile or just mixed together in somebody's 'bathtub'.

Site oils can be used for two purposes - to increase the size of a muscle or to shape a muscle.

To increase size, lets use the biceps for example. You need to inject in EVERY head of the muscle, while rotating the shots daily within that head. This is the only way to ensure that the added size keeps to your natural look/shape of the muscle. The quickest way to get a muscle up to maximum size is to do the following regimen: 1ml for 10 days in each head of the muscle. 2ml for 10 days. 3ml for 10 days. If you do both, the biceps and triceps simultaneously, you can add up to 3" on your arms in those 30 days.
Now, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!: you HAVE to massage the area that you just injected SEVERELLY! You have to make sure that there's no lump forming. The muscle should always be soft. You should NEVER have a lump. It is also a good idea, to inject just before going to the gym, so as soon as you get to the gym, you should do a couple light weight, high reps sets for that muscle, to get the blood moving. This again will minimise lump formation. You have to keep in mind, that as soon as lumps form because you did not massage, scar tissue will form as well. You want to avoid scar tissue at all costs. Also, to minimise scar tissue build up, use VERY small needles, like 25g or 26g, inch or 1inch long (depending on the injection site) and inject VERY slowly. If you find that you cannot keep with the lump build up, but you are due for another shot, wait until, by massaging, the lump goes away (it should not be more than a couple of days) and then resume from where you left off.

If you have all the size you wish and just want to shape the muscle, as adding a peak on the biceps, then inject the spot, in the peak of the muscle, with 1ml every day or every second day until you obtain the peak that you desire.

What I recommend to people that are just starting out using these oils is to use 1ml per head of muscle per day, or every second day, for a week or so and see how they react to it. That way they can judge how many ml they can use per muscle head and how often.

Where to inject - BICEPS - inner and outer head. You can feel the `split' in between the two heads of the biceps when you feel with your other hand. Inject on each side of that. If you want to increase the length/thickness of the bicep, inject more in the inner head (closer to your body). If you want to increase the peak, inject more in the outer head.

TRICEPS - You don't need to inject in the outer/horseshoe head, unless it is really lacking behind. You inject in the middle and rear heads of the triceps. Generally, at the back of your arm, the upper portion is the rear head and the lower portion is the middle head, as the two heads overlap each other somewhat.

DELTOIDS - just inject straight into whatever head is lacking in size.

CALVES - Natural calves, no matter how big the are, have a `flat' look to the muscle. So you want to keep that look, you don't want to have your calves looking round like someone stuck an air hose in there. So, you inject in multiple shots, on the outside edges of the muscle. That will make the calf go outwards, while keeping the flat, natural look.

QUADS - With muscles this large, you need to do multiple daily injections. Where in the biceps you use 1ml per head per day to begin with, on quads you need to start with 1ml per site, 7 sites per quad. That is to avoid the `lumpy' look and keep the quad uniform. Again, to keep the natural look of the thigh, you should inject in the `peak' of the outer quad, injecting along the crest. If the teardrop is lacking, then just inject straight into it, rotating sites daily. I personally don't recommend quad shots, especially teardrop, due to the very high amount of nerves in the area.

I strongly recommend that you get some anatomy charts and study the muscles and the nerves that are in the area that you want to inject.

How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that `popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the `space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle.
The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.

Pain - obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them. I currently put all my Sustanon in my biceps and I get no pain what so ever because the biceps are used with having stuff injected in them.


Dangers - Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly - USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world, like Greg Valentino. Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion.
All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!


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i have used syntherol in my side delts, awesome product!
 
hongkongguy said:
which head to inject for tricep to get the best result,just the rear head??
i'm sure BigA will jump in here but let me save him at least some of the headache.LOL you need to inject into each head of the muscle you are wanting to bring up. this would mean the inner, outer and lower head. you also need to rotate the injection site within the individual muscle heads. this way you are essentially "lifting" the entire muscle at the same time not just one part. if for instance a certain head of the muscle is lagging though, this can also be brought up with syntherol. an example of this is the bicep peak, a weak bicep peak can be brought up by using syntherol in the outer heads of both bi's. this really is amazing stuff. like i said i have used it and it brought my lateral delts up crazy fast! :dizzy:
 
Seems a lot to inject though when you get to the third set of 10 days. Can you just keep injecting only 1 ml per inject and have a more subtle increase? If I was to actually gain 3 inches on my arms in 30 days, that'd give me 20 inch arms--probably too big for the size of all my other muscles unless I used it in everything else, lol. At my current size, 18.5 in arms seems more proportionally correct because I seem to have trouble gaining size on my arms.
 
Flexmaster said:
i'm sure BigA will jump in here but let me save him at least some of the headache.LOL you need to inject into each head of the muscle you are wanting to bring up. this would mean the inner, outer and lower head. you also need to rotate the injection site within the individual muscle heads. this way you are essentially "lifting" the entire muscle at the same time not just one part. if for instance a certain head of the muscle is lagging though, this can also be brought up with syntherol. an example of this is the bicep peak, a weak bicep peak can be brought up by using syntherol in the outer heads of both bi's. this really is amazing stuff. like i said i have used it and it brought my lateral delts up crazy fast! :dizzy:

Correct :)
 
tonykemp said:
Seems a lot to inject though when you get to the third set of 10 days. Can you just keep injecting only 1 ml per inject and have a more subtle increase? If I was to actually gain 3 inches on my arms in 30 days, that'd give me 20 inch arms--probably too big for the size of all my other muscles unless I used it in everything else, lol. At my current size, 18.5 in arms seems more proportionally correct because I seem to have trouble gaining size on my arms.

Everyone is different. Most I ever seen anyone gain is 3.5". Least I ever seen anyone was 1/2". But these two are extremes. 80% of people gain about 2" that they maintain.

When you reach a size that you are happy with, if it's before the end of the 30 days, whatever the amount was that you reached that size with (2ml for exmaple), you stay with that until the 30 days are up.
 
like BigA said above though, the injects are only "bad" for the first few days. i noticed after about 7-8 days it was NO problem to inject, even the 3ml/day was not bad at all. if you are concerned about the pain though i would look into some sort of cream like lidocaine. i plan on using syntherol on my tri's sometime and i know that little fucking muscle at the bottom of my upper arm is going to hurt like a bitch.LOL post some pics of your progress with this, i'd love to see your results.
 
Are there any photos of the points where i should shoot ,for example my bicipes ? Also how deeply i can go with the injection considering my relative muscle sizes?

thanks!
 
when gogin witht he triceps i had to enlist some help from the g/f....i could not hit the inner heads properly on my own, i also had to do the same for the rear delt. But then im not very flexible and have to get help to hit my glutes for normal injects anyway LMAO
 
inky2004 said:
Are there any photos of the points where i should shoot ,for example my bicipes ? Also how deeply i can go with the injection considering my relative muscle sizes?

thanks!
with your biceps you should be able to feel the seperation between the 2 heads, shoot on both sides of the seperation. i have not used syntherol in my bi's but i would imagine rotating between the bottom, middle and top of the individual muscle heads would be correct. let me see if i can clarify what i mean...if you are doing just biceps then you should be doing 4 injections everyday. on the first day inject near the bottom of your biceps (about 1'' up), day 2 inject in the center of the head, day 3 about 1'' from the top (near the shoulder) ect...
 
ton1333 said:
when gogin witht he triceps i had to enlist some help from the g/f....i could not hit the inner heads properly on my own, i also had to do the same for the rear delt. But then im not very flexible and have to get help to hit my glutes for normal injects anyway LMAO
thats what i'm worried about if i try my tri's. but i wouldn't be able to ask my g/f beause she's scared to death of needles. maybe i'll just invent a really long needle with curves in it for the hard to reach places.LOL
 
Tris are easy.
Sit down on the floor, with your body sideways leaning on your bed.
Put your arm up on the edge of the bed with the tri hanging down, pushed away by the edge of the bed. The tri should be hanging there, relaxed.
Now stick the needle upwards, from the floor. Easy.
 
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