cycles: max dosages

Bros,

I was wondering what the highest dosage of any given gear you have used. I know we have threads like this every so often but its not my main question.

The other one is......do you increase dosage with each cycle? Whether cutting or bulking?

I'm at my highest dose cycle yet. Last time I cut, I didn't gain hardly anything (but hardly lost any muscle), so I decided I needed higher dosages when cutting. Do u think pros run more precontest or off season? Or just same high dosages year round?

I ask because I always think WAY ahead and was thinking, when I bulk again I want to only do first timer dosages like 500/400. But use maybe igf this time which I haven't before.

Is it a waste, or do u think you only need high dosages when stressing your body to the max when dieting hard?

Just want a good discussion and some experiences from you guys.

Thanks in advance (yes I know my posts ramble too much )

First, Your not going to see very much in gains when cutting.There are many factors that are relovent in seeing better gains when cutting such as rest,calorie and protein uptake.Also what king of supps/gear do you use when cutting,and at what dose. If you give an example of what your last cutter was like it should help us more give you better feedback. Tell us how long you ran everything,what dose and what gear. Also what did your diet look like. That should give a better understanding to those who could devise a better course of action to maximise the desired results.

I agree with tool, when your cutting the goal isnt to gain or you would want to bulk. You want to maintain as much lean muscle while cutting the fat, which is done MOSTLY by DIET and not AAS.

Dreww, check out my post titled something like "IGF/Test Lean Muscle Fat Loss". I'm documenting a moderate dosage cycle 400mg along with IGF. It should be a good comparison to what you discussed. I've been AAS free a while and this is my first time for IGF. I'm only on my third day today.

Take care

Stryker

Stryker, how long have you been clean. And what was your last cycles dosage?

I think you guys misunderstood my question. I understand that you can't really gain when cutting. That makes senses. Does that mean that if you cut naturally, you would certainly lose a bit of mass?

I guess what I really want answered is should you use the same doase whether cutting or bulking? And do you think you always need higher and higher dosages each cycle to keep/continue gains?

dreww, don't fall into the trap more is better. I've been doing this for 12 years and as you'll see from another post of mine, I'll be growing off of a measly dose of 400mg of Cyp. For me personally, I believe in moderate dosages of multiple lean mass builders. I personally would recommend 400mg Test, HGH with Slin, IGF and T3 before I would recommend 1 gram of Test.

I'm not for sure by what you mean as a "cutter". Not to question your knowledge of AAS, but roids do not typically cause fat loss themselves. The only AAS I have seen cut fat on me was Trenbolone. So I assume you mean AAS that will cause you to retain less water. i.e. Winny, Tren, etc. The dosage should not be dependent upon if you are in a "cutter"or not, but the AAS you are using. For example, if you are on a gram of test a week I would advise you NOT to follow up with a gram a week of Winstrol when you start your "cutter". Take the dosage that is approproiate for that specific AAS.

To answer your question, I've been clean about 2 years. The exact time I moved out of Texas to the Midwest. An excellent cycle for me in the past has been 400mg Test/400Mg Decca for a few months followed by 200mg Test/75mg Trenbolone a day. The 200 mg Test will keep your willy in top shape (with little to no water retention) and the Tren will bring out great vascularity. I do the Tren for 40 days. Then if you want to continue on, I stay with the same 200 mg Test/400 mg EQ. That will put veins on top of veins for me personally. I haven't had much luck with QV EQ though. Seems crazy, but Fort Dodge does the trick for me.

Hope this helps and hope I didn't in any way insult your intelligence of AAS with my suggestions.

Take care
Stryker

U didn't insult strker....and I don't want to get in the more is better trap as u said.
Whether on or off, I have a goal. Most of the year that goal is bulking. I've been doing 2 cycles a year for about 2.5 yrs and always upped dosages......and always made similar gains. I'm not looking for an average build, I want real mass. Like 280lbs when bulked up. I know my goals will take another 10 years and I'm in for the long run.....hence all my questions. I just figure if I never have to go above 500 test/wk again and still get that goal, that would be great ya know. but I will do whatever it takes.

I like the way that Big A looks at it, once you stop gaining form AAS, use GH, once u stop gaining on GH then go up to slin, then igf-1. And you don't have to bump up your doses on every cycle, you could just simply switch compounds. Like test 500mg/ deca 400mg then test 500mg/ equipoise 500mg. Then for a third cycle you could add in an oral, so right their you could have 4 different cycles. You can also bridgr with GH, Slin and T3. Their is another technique i've heard of but don't know the details, where when off cycle you can make good gains with HCG/Clomid/T3 all stacked together. Also you could try a different cycling pattern, like 8 weeks on 4 weeks off, HTPA inhibition wouldn't be as severe so maintenance of your gains would be easier. Also running var for the last 4 weeks of your cycle, maybe a little longer is supposed to help you maintain your gains better because it does not inhibit the HPTA to a great degree.

"280 bulked up" like you say dreww does not come from cycles. That is years of juice. Not that I recommend that, but you have to be realistic. That comes from major amount of AAS with cruise phases of 1 gram of test to maintain. Make sure to get the proper education on supplements for protecting liver, kidneys, prostate, etc. before you start a program to achieve that type of goal.

Good luck
Stryker