1st cycle

kdog

kdog

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Hey, fellas, need opinions. I have been BBing naturally for ~3years. I am getting ready to cycle for the first time and can't wait. I am planning to run Deca 400mg qw, d-bol 25mg qd (divided into 4 doses), and some type of test. I have heard good things about cyp 400mg twice/w. What do you guys thinks of this??? Anything I should do differently or any other ideas about another test?? Thanks in advance for the help.
 
Weight?
Not bad for a first cycle.
Cyp, Sust, or enthanate are good test choices.
You can split the dosage to 2x a week which should help you.
What are you hoping your gains will be?
 
I currently weigh 195# at ~15%BF. My hopes with my first cycle or 20-25#, hopefully retaining 15# after all is said and done. Any opinions on adding an anti-e and timing of such???
 
If this is your first cycle, even at only 400mg/wk of test cyp or ethanate, you could gain a good 30 lbs and retain 20-25 if you eat well and clean using an anti-e during the cycle and good pct afterwards.
 
How long are you running the cycle for and do you have nolva\clomid for PCT and something to control bloat from deca?

IMO, test and deca only will be good enough. At 15%, I think you should consider a month of hardcore cardio and sort out your diet before you start. At 195\15% you could probably get to 175\10% and go from there. You will be happier with your gains. Post what you have planned for diet as well. Trust me you will be much happier with everything if your diet is picked to death on here.
 
As a rook, I'd take the dbol, but no need to dose it out to 4 times a day.

Also, the way I read it, you said 400 of test, twice a week, that's way oo much.

I'd do the deca 400ew with about 500mgs test enan or cyp each week split into two doses.
 
mace said:
How long are you running the cycle for and do you have nolva\clomid for PCT and something to control bloat from deca?

IMO, test and deca only will be good enough. At 15%, I think you should consider a month of hardcore cardio and sort out your diet before you start. At 195\15% you could probably get to 175\10% and go from there. You will be happier with your gains. Post what you have planned for diet as well. Trust me you will be much happier with everything if your diet is picked to death on here.
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I'll bump that. Good call.
 
I just noticed something. I mentioned getting down to 175 at 10% when it should be more like 185\10%. The 175\10% statement was a bit inaccurate after running the numbers.
 
I was wondering about that--didn't seem quite right. Although he could also use IGF in there and lose bf while at his current weight and gain some major lean mass since it is his first cycle.
 
Thanks for the advise. I will start a CLEAN diet in the am. I kind of missed it anyway. I plan on starting the end of aug or beginning of sept. So, you guys are recommending 250mg test cyp twice/w, 400mg deca ew and d-bol 25mg daily. I plan on running the cycle for 12 weeks. How long should I wait before starting any anti-e's??? Should I start them at day 1?? Most post I read recommend starting at ~ week 4. I have access to clomid so I plan on using that (50mg daily)
 
i wouldn't use clomid now...probably for PCT...but definitely use nolva if you have some at 20-40mg my two cents
 
If you are running TestE\Deca\Dbol
Test 12 weeks
Deca 12 weeks
Dbol 4 weeks
Week 14 start Clomid 150mg ed
Week 15 Clomid 100mg ed
Week 16 Clomid 50mg ed
The nolva is for during your cycle at 10mg ed if you want or 20mg ed if you feel signs of gyno.

Now my personal comments. I would strongly recommend Nolva for PCT in place of clomid because it hard to be prepared for the way clomid will make you feel.

So week 14 start 40mg Nolva ed
Week 15 Nolva 30mg ed
Week16 Nolva 20mg ed
Use the Nolva if needed as specified above.
 
Ethanate And Winny?

Can You Gain Any Lean Body Mass And Loss Some Fat While You Are Taking Winny And Test Ethanate?
 
You can younggunz, but post in a thread of your own, you'll get more answers. Just hit "Nuw Thread" in the upper left corner of this forum. Ask everyquestion you need to while you're at it.

As far as the nolva, I'd hold off until 3-4 weeks into the cycle and then start using it 10 mgs ED. Bump to 60mgs for a couple of days until signs are gone if you get them.
 
always run the test longer then the deca. i would stop the deca at wk 10 and continue the tes intil week 12, also always run the test higher then the deca just like jaywooly said. make sure you calories are high as well as your protien, eat clean and you will get good results
 
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