Beginning cycle for a friend

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I have a friend wanting to start a cycle. He's been training for quite a few years, and he is 39 years old, 187 lbs, 5' 8", probably about 15-16% bf. He wants to start out slowly so I was thinking about this:

300mg/week test e/cyp for 10 weeks
300mg/week deca for 10 weeks
2.5 mg/day of Arimidex or Femara until the end of the cycle because he may be prone to gyno considering his bf levels.
40mg Clomid/day starting week 8 of the cycle, running it for six weeks

I need a little help planning the PCT because I don't normally have to do it myself. I would put him on prop, but this would be his first cycle, so I don't think he'd want to poke himself every day. I think this would be enough of a cycle with proper eating to give him a good 20 lbs keeping almost all of it.

Opinions?
 
Basic cycle- good but will you bring down the BF a little before you begin?
Thanks.
 
I agree about getting bodyfat down a bit if it's really high but this cycle may help. At those dosages, I don't think anti E's are necessary and can hinder gains unless he just doesn't want any water weight, but again, I don't think sides are going to be too noticeable at those dosages. I would just keep nolva on hand in case of gyno symptoms, and clomid should be sufficient for pct at that level.

Then after this cycle you could let him try prop with some other cutting anabolic after he's had a semi-bulking cycle under his belt, and focus on getting lean for spring/summer. That's my 2 cents anyway.
 
Great replies so far. I'm only estimating his bf from what I can see. I'll ask him if he knows what it is.
 
i usually wait until a week after my last pin (long ester) before I start PCT, because i think if you start too early your wasting it, because your body still has more test than natural production, so the clomid wont to much to raise it until your body senses it, and i usually use clomid, arimiplex, or exeplex, but never used hcg. I want to though. Does that make sense???
 
Sure that makes sense. Sometimes you want it already present in the system though because it take a little time for it to start taking effect in the body.
 
if he has never used aas before then i always suggest running one compound for the first time which would be the test cyp alone but that is just my opinion.
 
hector said:
if he has never used aas before then i always suggest running one compound for the first time which would be the test cyp alone but that is just my opinion.
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agreed
 
I've always heard it best to do test and an anabolic, but it is certainly worth looking at considering it would be cheaper. He'd probably blow up just from the test alone. He seems to be able to put on weight easily.
 
ive always preached around 500 mg's of cyp or enth. a week and thats it. maybe some dbol if they are impatient but i think thats all you need. Then he can incorporate deca into his later cycles. thats just what i would do.
 
MMX2 said:
Basic cycle- good but will you bring down the BF a little before you begin?
Thanks.
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nice & mild for first time around. I was thinking the same thing as MMX2.
If it was for someone else I would suggest to bring BF down a little first but
if it was for me I'd start and then work on leaning out while trying to gain
muscle. Make sure he realizes how important diet is. My first time I went
w/ 250 mg test-e/week. Gained about 8 lbs of muscle and kept about 6.
I would have done better if I did better on my diet.
 
That's very close to what I am about to run. 350 on the test e with prop front loaded and the deca is right on if I get it. I am scared it may have been seized. I am curious to hear everyone's opinions on pct. My hcg hasn't made it yet either and I am wondering what guys are doing with it these days.
 
Well, I asked him what his bodyfat level is, and he says he is 11-12%. I guess I'm not very good at estimating by sight, lol.
 
I would say to up the deca to around 400mg/wk. He should be very responsive to it having never done a cycle before, but I think dosage is still pretty low. It hasn't done much for me below that level (and I included it in my first cycle, too). Run the test a week or 10 days longer than the deca to allow the deca to clear out sufficiently before PCT. Side effects from deca are mild, but it's still very suppressive. Here's a link to a study: Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects of Ester, Injection Site and Injection Volume. (Note: my institution has subscriptions to a lot of journals, so you may not be able to view the full study. The gist is that one 100mg injection of nandrolone decanoate suppressed endogenous test production by roughly 75%, peaking at about 5 days post injection and not fully recovering until about 30 days after the injection. Anyway, run test a very minimum of a week - preferably longer - than deca.) Also, it might help to wait a little more than a week before starting PCT if he wants to do it at the most optimal time. I would say to start PCT more than 10 days but less than 2 weeks after the last test shot, based on the dosage. I recommend toremifene for PCT. IGF is always helpful during PCT, too, but your friend will probably retain most of his gains without it since it's his first cycle.
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jtunderdog said:
That's very close to what I am about to run. 350 on the test e with prop front loaded and the deca is right on if I get it. I am scared it may have been seized. I am curious to hear everyone's opinions on pct. My hcg hasn't made it yet either and I am wondering what guys are doing with it these days.
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hey bro look into that thread i started on Toremefine it looks amazing.
 
ballsoutpunk said:
I would say to up the deca to around 400mg/wk. He should be very responsive to it having never done a cycle before, but I think dosage is still pretty low. It hasn't done much for me below that level (and I included it in my first cycle, too). Run the test a week or 10 days longer than the deca to allow the deca to clear out sufficiently before PCT. Side effects from deca are mild, but it's still very suppressive. Here's a link to a study: Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects of Ester, Injection Site and Injection Volume. (Note: my institution has subscriptions to a lot of journals, so you may not be able to view the full study. The gist is that one 100mg injection of nandrolone decanoate suppressed endogenous test production by roughly 75%, peaking at about 5 days post injection and not fully recovering until about 30 days after the injection. Anyway, run test a very minimum of a week - preferably longer - than deca.) Also, it might help to wait a little more than a week before starting PCT if he wants to do it at the most optimal time. I would say to start PCT more than 10 days but less than 2 weeks after the last test shot, based on the dosage. I recommend toremifene for PCT. IGF is always helpful during PCT, too, but your friend will probably retain most of his gains without it since it's his first cycle.
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Hmm, it doesn't look like it liked my link to the article for whatever reason. Here's the URL:

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/281/1/93

The most significant (for our purposes) chart is attached. The mL quantities indicate the volume of oil that the 100mg doses of nandrolone were suspended in. All doses were 100mg; the only differences were the ester (phenylprop. or decanoate) and oil volume.
 
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