What you think of this cycle

DefMetalLifter

DefMetalLifter

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I'm going to run my 4th cycle and 1st one with Tren. Let me get your feedback on it.

Week 1-10:
500mg/tren a/weekly
400mg/test prop/weekly

Week1-4:
Winstrol/100mg daily

I will run Arimedex at .25 EOD

Usually I run HCG throughout. This time I am doing it different. Going to start HCG near week 8. Then Clomid/Nolva for PCT along with HCG first couple weeks.

How do my numbers look?? I have not used tren or winny before. I am also not a believer of running small doses just so that I can get the effect. I want max effect without overdoing it.
 
Bro do all three at the same time, I would do 500tren 500 winstrol 500 prop. At the end of ten weeks run proviron masterone along with hcg to bring balls back. Run adex
after 1 month when balls are back take your break.
 
Carefull running arimidex and winstrol together. Drink plenty of water and take some sort of joint support with vitamin d and calcium. If you run adex and winny together in the front of the cycle it's gonna weaken the whole cycle in my opinion. I would save the winny for the end. Or use masteron instead.
 
Mrbigz said:
Bro do all three at the same time, I would do 500tren 500 winstrol 500 prop. At the end of ten weeks run proviron masterone along with hcg to bring balls back. Run adex
after 1 month when balls are back take your break.
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Ya think I will go 500 on the prop too. May as well, getting 5 vials. The winny is oral so think a 100mg/daily should be enough.

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raysd21 said:
Carefull running arimidex and winstrol together. Drink plenty of water and take some sort of joint support with vitamin d and calcium. If you run adex and winny together in the front of the cycle it's gonna weaken the whole cycle in my opinion. I would save the winny for the end. Or use masteron instead.
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Ya I noticed a lot of guys use winny at the end. I could do that. Thanks for heads up on joint support.
 
DefMetalLifter said:
Ya think I will go 500 on the prop too. May as well, getting 5 vials. The winny is oral so think a 100mg/daily should be enough.

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Ya I noticed a lot of guys use winny at the end. I could do that. Thanks for heads up on joint support.
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I'd highly suggest using the winny at the end, it'll top the cycle off nicely. You'll stay kinda lean throughout with the prop and tren a anyway
 
I really didn't explain myself before but lowered estrogen and using winstrol can have a negative effect on joints and hydration. Here is why.

One of the most annoying and often repeated "well known fact" is that Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca) improves and soothes your joints by storing water in them. And, conversely, Winstrol has a "reverse osmotic" effect on your joints, which makes them ache when you use it, because it draws water out of your body, joints included. And where would this leave us, in terms of Winstrol and Masteron causing pain in joints? I have always thought there was something more to this. And I think the answer lies in DHT. You see, DHT administration has been found to decrease estrogen levels through a variety of mechanisms on peripheral tissue. DHT directly inhibits estrogenic activity on tissues, either by acting as a competitive antagonist to the estrogen receptor or by decreasing estrogen receptor binding.
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So .25 every other day of Arimidex probably wouldn't lower estrogen to the point of hurting you. It actually probably is a good conservative dose to just barely do the job. I'm just saying it would be optimal at the end so you're joints aren't stressed or dehydrated at the beginning of the cycle when you are supposed to be fresh and ready to go.
 
Yeah. That's really good advice on the Winny buddy. I personally hate Winstrol. Makes me hurt for months even after stopping the dose. I am a fan of Masteron for that cut look. Hard and lean baby!!! Other than that, enjoy the ride big guy!! The Tren is gonna transform your body!!! I always had Masteron Prop or Proviron to take when running Tren cause it can shut your dick down quick and in a hurry son!!!!
 
DefMetalLifter said:
I'm going to run my 4th cycle and 1st one with Tren. Let me get your feedback on it.

Week 1-10:
500mg/tren a/weekly
400mg/test prop/weekly

Week1-4:
Winstrol/100mg daily

I will run Arimedex at .25 EOD

Usually I run HCG throughout. This time I am doing it different. Going to start HCG near week 8. Then Clomid/Nolva for PCT along with HCG first couple weeks.

How do my numbers look?? I have not used tren or winny before. I am also not a believer of running small doses just so that I can get the effect. I want max effect without overdoing it.
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i think thats a lot of tren ace for a first time running it, but it won't kill ya so ……lol. Test prop is low and wintrol is high as fuck. lol. You asked for feedback lol,

Honestly your tren and prop doses are a preference some like that high some don't and you will get different opinions like u have, but no one, and i mean no one should advice anyone to take 100mg winny every day , i don't think thats a dose that some say is ok and some say is not, i think that dose is wrong regardless of who you are. Winstrol is worse then anadrol and dianabol when it comes down to it,

anyhow thats all my opinion big guy minus the winny, no one needs 100mg daily

I grow like a weed from this cycle below:

Prop 200mg eod
tren ace 75mg eod
winny 50mg daily
igf 50mcgs daily

Im guessing ur going for the new trend in higher tren and lower testosterone, ?? which I've heard good things about, so i am curious how you will like doing that as i haven't nor would i ever have my testosterone lower the my tren ace, but thats just me lmao
 
big n wv said:
I'd highly suggest using the winny at the end, it'll top the cycle off nicely. You'll stay kinda lean throughout with the prop and tren a anyway
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I'm gonna save the winny for the end and may not even use it if the cycle is going great.

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raysd21 said:
I really didn't explain myself before but lowered estrogen and using winstrol can have a negative effect on joints and hydration. Here is why.


So .25 every other day of Arimidex probably wouldn't lower estrogen to the point of hurting you. It actually probably is a good conservative dose to just barely do the job. I'm just saying it would be optimal at the end so you're joints aren't stressed or dehydrated at the beginning of the cycle when you are supposed to be fresh and ready to go.
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Thanks for that bit of info. Makes me not even want to do winny lol. I need my joints well lubricated. I see what you mean about weakening the cycle by starting with winny. I was just trying to use it as a fat loss kick start. Im gonna save it for the end and may not even use it. Just see how it goes.
 
Austin311 said:
Yeah. That's really good advice on the Winny buddy. I personally hate Winstrol. Makes me hurt for months even after stopping the dose. I am a fan of Masteron for that cut look. Hard and lean baby!!! Other than that, enjoy the ride big guy!! The Tren is gonna transform your body!!! I always had Masteron Prop or Proviron to take when running Tren cause it can shut your dick down quick and in a hurry son!!!!
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I'm gonna have to look into the proviron a little more. I have wanted to use Mast, but heard it doesn't work well unless you are single digit bf. Maybe toward the end of cycle I will be and can use it. Although it sounds like you are recommending it for its sex drive benefits. I am going to have to brainstorm this idea too.
 
Presser said:
i think thats a lot of tren ace for a first time running it, but it won't kill ya so ……lol. Test prop is low and wintrol is high as fuck. lol. You asked for feedback lol,

Honestly your tren and prop doses are a preference some like that high some don't and you will get different opinions like u have, but no one, and i mean no one should advice anyone to take 100mg winny every day , i don't think thats a dose that some say is ok and some say is not, i think that dose is wrong regardless of who you are. Winstrol is worse then anadrol and dianabol when it comes down to it,

anyhow thats all my opinion big guy minus the winny, no one needs 100mg daily

I grow like a weed from this cycle below:

Prop 200mg eod
tren ace 75mg eod
winny 50mg daily
igf 50mcgs daily

Im guessing ur going for the new trend in higher tren and lower testosterone, ?? which I've heard good things about, so i am curious how you will like doing that as i haven't nor would i ever have my testosterone lower the my tren ace, but thats just me lmao
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262mg tren a week seems like a really low dose. Then again it is tren. Your are right that is probably a bit much for my first go. I'm thinking I will start out a bit lower and can always bump it up if I want. I'll push the prop up too 500/weekly this way it will be higher than tren. I don't want to lose my sex drive. lol. The winny I may not even use. From what it sounds Mast would be a better option to throw in. Not sure maybe the last 4 weeks..

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Oh and I will be using IGF with my cycle btw!! ;)
 
I did a little research on Proviron. It is like an oral Masterone. It seems to be a really good steriod for increasing LH, its synergistic effects, and fat burning properties. When would be a good time to incorporate this into my 10 week cycle? Also should I run it throughout my PCT? What dose?
 
DefMetalLifter said:
I did a little research on Proviron. It is like an oral Masterone. It seems to be a really good steriod for increasing LH, its synergistic effects, and fat burning properties. When would be a good time to incorporate this into my 10 week cycle? Also should I run it throughout my PCT? What dose?
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I'd run proviron from start to finish. I would run 25mg ED if it was pharm grade otherwise 50mg ED. I love it now, I'll probably never do another cycle without it. I personally stopped it at the end of my cycle as I did with all other compounds, but I don't think it'd hurt if you ran it through PCT. I'm not certain on that so don't quote me, but I believe you'd be safe
 
I agree with big n wv. Whether its Proviron or Masteron, I'd run it from start to finish. I plan on using Masteron with every blast now as well. I love it!! The synergy between Masteron and MC IGF is amazing. Very vascular and hard, not to mention the libido increase as well. I cant really say whether to use it throughout PCT since I am on all the time (blast and cruise) But, Masteron is a DHT so if your PCT is to return your natural Test to normal then I wouldn't because your still putting exogenous Testosterone in your system. And, your goal with PCT is for your body to produce its endogenous Test again...

And, I know a lot of people say Masteron only works if your bf is 10% or so, but it works regardless of your bf Brother. Its just more noticeable at lower bf numbers. I started at about 14% and sittin at 11-12 now about 6-8 weeks in.....;)
 
Presser is right on the tren...start low and work your way up to see how you handle the sides-I've heard of people that will have panic attacks on even low doses

as I've gotten older I don't handle the sides so well, I quit using it switched to deca and from what Austin says might add Masteron in the next cycle
 
dorian123 said:
Presser is right on the tren...start low and work your way up to see how you handle the sides-I've heard of people that will have panic attacks on even low doses

as I've gotten older I don't handle the sides so well, I quit using it switched to deca and from what Austin says might add Masteron in the next cycle
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Man, I love the combo of MC IGF and Masteron!! Sheds the bf like a Mutha.... ;)
 
Alright. Thanks for the help fellows. I will likely get proviron or masterone to go with this cycle. Payday Friday then its time to put that order in! ;)
 
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