Oral cycle, Turinabol or Winstrol?

Pushtoday

Pushtoday

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I'm going to do my first cycle, and I want to try an oral cycle(4-6 weeks?) first to see how my body reacts. I need some advice....
I'm 5'6" 165-170 lbs. Early 40s. If decent shape, 13% bodyfat. Been working out/training most of my adult life.
I would like to add some size and break through some strength plateaus.
From what I've read either will do the job, and will be sustainable after cycle with PCT.
 
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Orals will shut down your natural testosterone. You need to supplement testosterone or your not gonna get anything out of it except some muscle loss and low sex drive. Honestly your first cycle is best to just use test only.


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Thanks for the advice. Orals are only to compliment a test cycle? I need to get on a test cycle first? How long of a cycle? Test E or test C? Do I need an arimidex? Liv52? There is all sorts of in formation out there, I'm trying to sort through.
 
I did an all oral cycle but test is the base. Think of it as painting your house, you need planning, gather all the materials and how long. Also what if something happens in the middle of it and you need to stop? So make sure you have everything you need before you start and plan a start and stop date.

Oral cycles are ok for a cycle, you wont get big results from them and yes, test is the base but you can do an oral cycle. I did winny and clen for 8 weeks as a cutter with no test-worked fine for me.

Always do your homework and remember we are here to help
 
Great. Thanks for the help. As I get everything together I will get a log going. I'm think now maybe just test for 12 weeks, tbol first 4 weeks to Jumpstart and Winstrol to finish last 4 weeks?
 
I was thinking test 200-250 twice a week. Tbol 20-40 mg everyday for first 4 weeks. Winstrol 50mg everyday last 4 weeks? Let me know what I should adjust.
 
Pushtoday said:
I was thinking test 200-250 twice a week. Tbol 20-40 mg everyday for first 4 weeks. Winstrol 50mg everyday last 4 weeks? Let me know what I should adjust.
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i would up the tbol to 50mg a day and might shoot for 5 to 6 weeks. what kind of test are you going to use? if its test E or C you could start winstrol week 9. make sure you have liver support like milk thistle or tudca
 
make sure to get some fish oil for joints and dont be trying to max out on winstrol it will dry you out and can cause injury. at your age and if this is your first time using AAS then i wouldnt use winny

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have you had your testosterone levels checked?
 
I was thinking arimidex and liv52 during cycle. Then clomid and/or novadex for PCT. This is just based on what I've read and hear. Any and all advice or suggestions are appreciated.
 
IronJulius said:
make sure to get some fish oil for joints and dont be trying to max out on winstrol it will dry you out and can cause injury. at your age and if this is your first time using AAS then i wouldnt use winny

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have you had your testosterone levels checked?
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I haven't had my test levels checked. I that something I need to do?

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Powderguy said:
I agree, what are you planning to use for PCT and gyno issues?
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I was thinking arimidex and liv52 during cycle. Then clomid and/or novadex for PCT. This is just based on what I've read and hear. Any and all advice or suggestions are appreciated.
 
Pushtoday said:
I haven't had my test levels checked. I that something I need to do?

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I was thinking arimidex and liv52 during cycle. Then clomid and/or novadex for PCT. This is just based on what I've read and hear. Any and all advice or suggestions are appreciated.
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sure if you are not planning on having children i would see about getting on TRT then you wouldnt have to worry about PCT. my levels were low at 28 i know for sure and i was put on TRT at 31. these day many men have low T and dont even know it. i got checked because i would fatigue bad during the day. i just thought because was always horny there was no way i had low T and my pride was like im not a real man lol i love TRT
 
Not to step on anyones toes here but this is your first cycle right?

I think the dosages you have set up are fine-both can be hard on your liver and honestly there's no scientific publicshed or FDA evidence liv-52, milk thistle works. I used it with a winny cycle at 50mgs a day and my liver values were very high and only did 4 weeks. I get blood work done prior to and leaving a cycle.

Water and cranberry juice are good choices to help flush the harsh stuff out of your system plus it will keep you hydrated.

As for the test and pct-nolva or arimi would be fine-arimi is the costly choice and if the doses of test are low and you consume a ton of water this will be a good choice. Nolva will keep the estrogen down, you want some estrogen so don't over intake the nolva.

As for liver support, you take whatever you research will help you best. I just intake cranberry juice, water and grapefruit juice. That's it. Like I said I'm not stepping on anyone's opinions or what has worked for them, remember we are all different but herbs have not worked for me because there's no one making sure they put what they say they put in them.

As for the end of cycle PCT-clomid /nolva make sure you start it when the half life is up on your test of choice after last injection-example test prop 3-5 days halflife after injection. Start pct day 6. Clomid 100mg = 50mg x 2 Nolva 40mg=20 mg x 2.
 
You can get very cheap blood work done from privatemdlabs.com. Just make sure to sign up for their newsletter first, they send you a 10% (I think, might be 15%) off code good for three uses a month with the newsletter. Then you get a new code each month after that. The Hormone Panel for Females is what you want (it shows your E2 level as well as Test level and much more), and it comes to somewhere around $58 with the coupon. It is not legal to buy your own blood work in some states, though, like NY and NJ and a few others I believe. Says what states they are on the website.

I have received my results sometimes on the same day I got the blood drawn...but usually it is next day. Very fast.
 
Powderguy said:
Not to step on anyones toes here but this is your first cycle right?

I think the dosages you have set up are fine-both can be hard on your liver and honestly there's no scientific publicshed or FDA evidence liv-52, milk thistle works. I used it with a winny cycle at 50mgs a day and my liver values were very high and only did 4 weeks. I get blood work done prior to and leaving a cycle.

Water and cranberry juice are good choices to help flush the harsh stuff out of your system plus it will keep you hydrated.

As for the test and pct-nolva or arimi would be fine-arimi is the costly choice and if the doses of test are low and you consume a ton of water this will be a good choice. Nolva will keep the estrogen down, you want some estrogen so don't over intake the nolva.

As for liver support, you take whatever you research will help you best. I just intake cranberry juice, water and grapefruit juice. That's it. Like I said I'm not stepping on anyone's opinions or what has worked for them, remember we are all different but herbs have not worked for me because there's no one making sure they put what they say they put in them.

As for the end of cycle PCT-clomid /nolva make sure you start it when the half life is up on your test of choice after last injection-example test prop 3-5 days halflife after injection. Start pct day 6. Clomid 100mg = 50mg x 2 Nolva 40mg=20 mg x 2.
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Thanks for the input, Yes my first cycle. I drink plenty of water daily and I can add cranberry juice easily. I will probably include the LIV52 also....I already bought it.
I guess now I need to start getting my ducks in a row.
I can run Nova or Clomid right no reason to take both?
Thanks again.
 
At the end of the cycle you can take them both. During a cycle nolva would be the only one I would take to reduce estrogen and bloat.
If you want a pct cycle let us know and we can do one for you. Just need to know, length of cycle, doses and types of stuff taken. Some are harsher and shut system down fast and hard so pct may need to be more aggressive.
 
Alright as I get things situated, I have a few more questions.
"US Stock" or "US Domestic ship" means less TA time?
Plan is Dbol or tbol first 4 weeks. ( I'll need 50 tabs?)
Test E 12 weeks. ( I'll need 30 ml?)
Winstrol last 4weeks. (I'll need 50 tabs or 25 tabs cut in half?)
Aromicin for AI. (how many do I need) When do I start and when do I stop?
Nolva for PCT. I start 2 weeks after last pin? (how long do I run it)
 
Pushtoday said:
Alright as I get things situated, I have a few more questions.
"US Stock" or "US Domestic ship" means less TA time?
Plan is Dbol or tbol first 4 weeks. ( I'll need 50 tabs?)
Test E 12 weeks. ( I'll need 30 ml?)
Winstrol last 4weeks. (I'll need 50 tabs or 25 tabs cut in half?)
Aromicin for AI. (how many do I need) When do I start and when do I stop?
Nolva for PCT. I start 2 weeks after last pin? (how long do I run it)
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Alright as I get things situated, I have a few more questions.
"US Stock" or "US Domestic ship" means less TA time?
Plan is Dbol or tbol first 4 weeks. ( I'll need 50 tabs?) Tbol for 6 weeks and not do winny
Test E 12 weeks. ( I'll need 30 ml?) if its 300mg/ml then you would be fine with 20ml
Winstrol last 4weeks. (I'll need 50 tabs or 25 tabs cut in half?) i wouldnt do it but if they are 50mg tabs then 30
Aromicin for AI. (how many do I need) When do I start and when do I stop? 12.5mg e3d every third day and you can change it if you need to
Nolva for PCT. I start 2 weeks after last pin? (how long do I run it) id start 10 days after pin for 4 weeks 40/20/20/10mg

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AI the entire cycle
 
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