Bulk Cycle Questions

Gurhka · Aug 10, 2015

So I lurk on here more than I post. That's my bad. I'm gonna get on more.

Here's my bulk plan -----> I have never bulked. Ran TTM for show prep, but no bulk.

10 Weeks
Test E - 250mg Sun & Wed
Deca - 150mg Sun & Wed
Eq - 300mg Sun & Wed
IGF LR3 - Sub for pump on monday legs and tuesday chest wednesday and thursday no igf. Site inj on arms and back, fri and sat. Sunday no igf.

Questions
1.) Adex EOD or Aromasin? Annnnd, just how bad is my estro sides gonna get on this? Worse than Tren?
2.) Dbol kicker for 4 weeks?
3.) I have HCG, should I run it through out? What amount?
4.) Should I put in Mon and Thurs morning instead of the nights before?

I'm good everywhere else, but I refuse no info, I learn constantly and I am humble.

Thanks

crash · Aug 11, 2015

as far as sides go everyone reacts different to certain compounds its trial and error. I personally like D bol for a kicker usually run 50 mg . I wouldn't think you would need HCG until the end of your cycle. I take HCG during the middle of my cycles but I run very long cycles usually I take it around 16 to 20 weeks to help with keeping things in line. generally I run 5000 iu HCG 2x taken 3 to 4 days apart

m7x · Aug 11, 2015

Hello. I lurk too, so you can have a fellow lurker's options...

1. Aromasin, all the time 100%. You won't get the estrogen rebound like you can with adex because aromasin is a suicidal AI. And your lipids will be better (adex can wreck them for some people). Aromasin > adex always. Estrogen sides are person-dependent - so run enough asin to control them for YOU. Bloods are the safest way to know for sure, but most of us start off on an average amount and then adjust based on what happens... you need a cool head for that approach though (i.e. not panicking and immediately trebling the dose of AI overnight just because you think you have a little bit of nipple sensitivity on day 3).

2. Seems sensible when running long acting drugs to get something early for performance/gains. But if you were worried about estrogen sides from a bit of test and some deca/eq, I'd be more concerned with the dbol personally.

3. If you plan on coming off rather than cruising, yes. I like 1000iu/wk (either 1x1000iu shot weekly or 500iu twice a week... if you're already running shots Sun and Wed, just do 500iu subq additionally then). Everybody has a different view on this, but I found this worked well when I used to run HCG at all. It's also a convenient number... 10 weeks is 2 x 5000iu amps. 15 weeks is 3 x 5000iu amps etc.

4. Doesn't matter. I do my shots in the morning, but others like them at night. Do them whenever is most convenient to you... probably when relaxed, after a shower for cleanliness... and when life reasonably allows (i.e. not when your kids are going to burst into your room or in the toilets on lunch break at work etc). Unless you're running test base, tren base etc for pre-wo, timing doesn't really matter in my experience.

Deca and EQ most people typically run for longer than 10 weeks btw. Doesn't mean you have to, but you might find yourself coming off right when they're working well, especially if bulking sensibly.

I'm sure you know this, but remember that "bulk" is diet dependent more than drugs... you can bulk on TTM if your diet is right, and you can royally fcuk up a test+deca bulk if your diet is poor.

Enjoy

Deca is one of my favourites

Gurhka · Aug 11, 2015

m7x said:
Hello. I lurk too, so you can have a fellow lurker's options...

1. Aromasin, all the time 100%. You won't get the estrogen rebound like you can with adex because aromasin is a suicidal AI. And your lipids will be better (adex can wreck them for some people). Aromasin > adex always. Estrogen sides are person-dependent - so run enough asin to control them for YOU. Bloods are the safest way to know for sure, but most of us start off on an average amount and then adjust based on what happens... you need a cool head for that approach though (i.e. not panicking and immediately trebling the dose of AI overnight just because you think you have a little bit of nipple sensitivity on day 3).

2. Seems sensible when running long acting drugs to get something early for performance/gains. But if you were worried about estrogen sides from a bit of test and some deca/eq, I'd be more concerned with the dbol personally.

3. If you plan on coming off rather than cruising, yes. I like 1000iu/wk (either 1x1000iu shot weekly or 500iu twice a week... if you're already running shots Sun and Wed, just do 500iu subq additionally then). Everybody has a different view on this, but I found this worked well when I used to run HCG at all. It's also a convenient number... 10 weeks is 2 x 5000iu amps. 15 weeks is 3 x 5000iu amps etc.

4. Doesn't matter. I do my shots in the morning, but others like them at night. Do them whenever is most convenient to you... probably when relaxed, after a shower for cleanliness... and when life reasonably allows (i.e. not when your kids are going to burst into your room or in the toilets on lunch break at work etc). Unless you're running test base, tren base etc for pre-wo, timing doesn't really matter in my experience.

Deca and EQ most people typically run for longer than 10 weeks btw. Doesn't mean you have to, but you might find yourself coming off right when they're working well, especially if bulking sensibly.

I'm sure you know this, but remember that "bulk" is diet dependent more than drugs... you can bulk on TTM if your diet is right, and you can royally fcuk up a test+deca bulk if your diet is poor.

Enjoy Deca is one of my favourites

Thanks man.
How much Aromasin, what eod? 12.5? Is it givin to prevent suicide?

A lot of folks love deca. I have no experience wth it. Feel free to share you cycle ideas with it.

That eq sound like a good idea or could something better go in its place?

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crash said:
as far as sides go everyone reacts different to certain compounds its trial and error. I personally like D bol for a kicker usually run 50 mg . I wouldn't think you would need HCG until the end of your cycle. I take HCG during the middle of my cycles but I run very long cycles usually I take it around 16 to 20 weeks to help with keeping things in line. generally I run 5000 iu HCG 2x taken 3 to 4 days apart

Thanks man. Prolly gonaa wait like you said.

m7x · Aug 11, 2015

Gurhka said:
Thanks man.
How much Aromasin, what eod? 12.5? Is it givin to prevent suicide?

A lot of folks love deca. I have no experience wth it. Feel free to share you cycle ideas with it.

That eq sound like a good idea or could something better go in its place?

Suicidal AI just means it attaches to the aromatase enzyme, permanently disabling it. You won't get the estro rebound you sometimes get with adex. It's the lipids I'm more concerned with as to why I prefer asin personally.

Dosage would be person dependent. To give an idea, when cruising (250mg ish of test/wk), I use 12.5 Mon/Wed/Fri (easier to remember for me than EOD). When doing a reasonable dose cycle, say 500-750 test plus some deca or tren in the 400-500 ballpark, 12.5 ED, and when blasting "properly", double that. But you need to experiment. The last thing you want to do is go overboard and kill your estro levels entirely. Bloods to be sure. Trial and error with risk otherwise.

Not a fan of EQ at all personally but some guys love it. It's a love/hate thing... people either love it or hate it usually.

If you've never run deca or EQ before then I wouldn't add them both to the cycle at once... you won't really know what's doing what (or what causes problems if you have them). Take test, pick something you've run before, and pick something you haven't if you want to stack 3 drugs. Or just take test, add in either deca or EQ on bigger dosage if you only want test plus one other. Add as few things in one go as possible (which is just 1

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Just opinion

Presser · Aug 12, 2015

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