SHOULD I TRY DNP?

Should i try DNP?

  • Go ahead...give it try and see how it works out.

    Votes: 41 48.8%
  • Your are fuckin nuts. Don't do it!

    Votes: 43 51.2%

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Cordoba said:
Hydrogen and oxygen combined is one of the most dangerous gases but in the form of H2O it is essential to life. My point is it depends on how you use it that will determine if it is dangerous or not and as we clearly see everyone on this board has a different opinion. So read everything you can possibly find on it then decide if its worth the risk to you or not and gradually build the dosage up just incase you have a low tolerance to DNP.

but what if the dose they use is just too much? what if they mess up? it's not like you can go to the doc and have "gyno" removed......

YOU DIE.

NOTHING is worth death, im sorry to disagree but if you knew to use a sustance as dangerous as this, well.....your lazy.

you work so hard to build your body, it's a temple....then, out of sheer laziness, you ingest something that is used for photographic development, fungicide, in wood pressure treatment to prevent rotting AND an insecticide.

IMHO, it's not good advice to tell someone to "read up on it and decide"

ive been in this sport for many years and have helped alot of men/women with their diets, whether it be pre-contest, or just trying to lose weight.

if i gave you the numbers of said people that had eating disorders, it would make you shutter.....

problem with giving advice is that people only "read" what they want to. if they see that a product can burn off 10-15 lbs in one week, do you think (for the most part) they will really READ the important "dangerous side effects" associated with DNP? naaaa...not a snowman's chance in hell.

NO advice is good advice on DNP. only to STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM IT!
 
QueenofDamned said:
but what if the dose they use is just too much? what if they mess up? it's not like you can go to the doc and have "gyno" removed......

YOU DIE.

NOTHING is worth death, im sorry to disagree but if you knew to use a sustance as dangerous as this, well.....your lazy.

you work so hard to build your body, it's a temple....then, out of sheer laziness, you ingest something that is used for photographic development, fungicide, in wood pressure treatment to prevent rotting AND an insecticide.

IMHO, it's not good advice to tell someone to "read up on it and decide"

ive been in this sport for many years and have helped alot of men/women with their diets, whether it be pre-contest, or just trying to lose weight.

if i gave you the numbers of said people that had eating disorders, it would make you shutter.....

problem with giving advice is that people only "read" what they want to. if they see that a product can burn off 10-15 lbs in one week, do you think (for the most part) they will really READ the important "dangerous side effects" associated with DNP? naaaa...not a snowman's chance in hell.

NO advice is good advice on DNP. only to STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM IT!


I think telling them to read as much as possible and decided for them selves is better then just telling someone not to use it. If you tell someone its dangerous and dont use it but they know it can burn 15lbs in a week and thats all they know, what do you think they are going to do? They will probably use not know a damn thing about it except it is dangerous. It is human nature to do things that you are told not to do. I would bet allot of people here knew about steroids is what the media and school taught, that it will give you caner and burn you testicles off, but we all used it anyways, then we got informed.
 
No DNP

Just not worth the risks, unless you are competing on the Pro Level. It is too many other ways...

The Iron Always!!!
 
Cyberstefke:
I voted yes. Personally the only things preventing me from doing it is no source and no control of the yellow ooozes if I had it available.
The life risk....believe me it is trivial in comparison to much I have already risked with less notable objectives both achieved and missed in my adventure aka living.....
 
As my first post, I'd like to clear some misconceptions about DNP. I believe that DNP (when taken in moderate doses) is safer than steroids, t3, clen, etc. What?!?! Does this go against all the good "bros" that have said "dude, you might die!!!" Well, yes. In this post, I will only speak of the safety and not the mechanisms in which DNP produces fatloss. First, a little history.


DNP stands for 2,4-dinitrophenol. This is a chemical that was once used in the early 20th century to ignite dynamite and cast a yellow dye on wood and other handcrafts. A few years later demographical statistics showed that employees who worked with DNP everyday tended to lose weight, often rapidly. One fall out from this was a study conducted by Stanford University in 1920 showing that the ingestion of DNP does in fact cause weight loss. This prompted physicians to prescribe DNP to obese patients of that era. DNP was on the market for 2 decades as a weight loss drug and was eventually taken off the market and banned for human consumption by the FDA because there was a report of cataract formation among female users of this drug which turned out to be false. This chemical is still deemed too dangerous by the FDA to allow it to come back to the pharmaceutical marketplace. Over the decades of research on DNP, scientists have never shown it to have the ability to cause cancer or any other mutations despite the fact that it’s a phenol and that most phenolic compounds are carcinogenic. DNP is now only used as a research chemical and as a pesticide in a few states that still approve of its use. It is not illegal to own DNP, but it is illegal to market it for personal consumption.

Ever notice that everyone says that its extremely dangerous but never really back it up with anything? I do. So heres some actual studies about DNP.

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

http://www.cyberiron.com/drugs/dinitrophenol.html reports on health risks from external exposure. In other words, don’t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you’re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

http://www.zymed.com/pdf/04-xxxx/04-8300.pdf A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know—it’s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst result being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as…2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out—DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure…"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it’s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer…fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP is being synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it’s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity…"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP’s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates—or disrupts—cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT(good ol’ DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect…"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells."
Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps
melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation © 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.


So, as you can see, when taken in moderate doseages (lets say 200mgs per day) its quite safe. The lethal dose is roughly 20-30mg/kg and you have to be a real fucktard to go over "by just a little."
 
I voted "yes" as well. I have run a few cycles and was lethargic for a few days but at the end I lost a ton of fat. DNP is a lot like slin Imho. They both can be lethal if you dont know what your doing, but on the other hand they can be a very powerful weapon in the bodybuilding arsenal. BTW correct me if im wrong but wasent DNP was actually given to patients, and then banned by the government, kind of like steroids,eca's, and prohormones. Not to say that these other things are comparable to dnp as far as risk but it not like dnp was never used for humans (if my emmory serves me correctly).
 
i know alot of people who have done it and i know alot of national level competitors who would never dare try itt. they say its a terrible chemical to put in your body and you can get the same results if not better without it. clen t-3 eca and great diet will work.
 
I have done two cycles of DNP and have liked the results. I have found better supplements to use now, but if I needed to use it again, I would not hesitate to use it- provided all the necessary precautions are taken.
 
yo guys. It took me about a year in a half before I would try dnp, I was just too scared....lol. I just couldn't find the stuff. I've now ran it a few times and in fact just took my last one yesterday, I posted a thread under "latest dnp cycle" guys' did ya hear the story about a guy who drowned by drinking too much water???? Anything in excess can kill you, (including gay sex for some of you ha ha) anyways not to make light of it, yes dnp is a dangerous substance when combined with ignorance and irresponsibility. I usually stay around the 4-500 mg ed mark though I have built up as high to 700, and I felt miserable, only did that for a day, I usually keep it to around 7 days. Anyone wanting to try it should read over and over the thread " how not to fck up dnp" it's like the bible on this. As far as this classifying someone as lazy I have a little hard time with that, that means anyone who takes any supplement is in a way lazy. Be prepared though after about 4 days my will and ability to work out is completely gone, I just try to keep myself busy and stay motivated to the return to hard training and feeling good
 
this thread is interesting.... from one opinion, back to the other....

I vote yes.

1/3rd of my life is over, all I know at this point is not to believe general consensus.

for the people who think your lazy because you dont want to do cardio, or diet... lets see how you feel in 15+ years... (assuming your still lifting).

Most body builders dont take dnp because they never go beyond a certain bf. so there is no need.

Im trying to find dnp right now. (dont need a source-but thanks!)
 
bullfx said:
dnp is for lazy people who cant stick to a diet and do cardio...

And steroids are for people who cant stick to thier training and lift/eat right.

The same excuse can go either way bro. Some people use gear that is designed for live stock (cows) and inject it into their bodies. Same goes for DNP. AAS/DNP are used as a tool to achieve a goal.
 
I am going to give DNP a try when getting ready for my next contest, I have read a lot of info on it and it is quite positive if DNP is used correctly. The only negative stuff I read are all of the people who regurgitate all the old myths about it killing you by looking at it. This seems to be 99% myth, when I first considered insulin I heard loads of horror stories about it but if you know how to take it correctly then it is safe. If you go onto most natural bodybuilding boards you will read lots of myths about juice and how bad it can mess you up but this is not the case.
Basically I am saying that there are enough very knowledgable guys on here which can give you real life experiences and provide you with a lot of research which you can base your decision. MuchBigger gave me some quality info (cheers bro) and I deceided that it is worth a try at a low dose to see what happens. And hey I am a big sweaty mo fo anyway so what the hell.
 
I voted yes, 1 i think one can try something with low dose first and work their way up,...i believe in tryin something but at a lower dose first and then get more familiar with it and see your tolerance,... the more side effects seen with people takin dnp could have come by using the recommended dose right off the bat, and your body is not ready to just adjust to the substance and it might have a reaction with your system and that can lead to unwanted sides, so i believe that if something is taken for the first time, one should do their research over and over again, and when it comes time to use,.. start with a low dose lower than the recommended dose and work your way up,... (baby steps).. Just my 2 cents...
 
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I voted yes, I only made it though two separate two week cycles. My workouts were terrible while I was on it as I was told to expect. My strength rebounded completely when I came off which for me backed up the statement that the fat loss was not at my muscles expense.
 
good to see muchbigger back defending dnp, I think he and I have been the most dnp whores alive. Like what has been said all the rumors that stem from dnp are the same that float about any kind of gear, I have plenty of dnp runs under my belt, never a bad experience, besides the expected last 4 days of feeling like complete donkey asshole. but imo its worth it. hell yeah, if you're responsible, do it
 
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