just did 7.5 weeks of prop at 150mg eod put on like 18 pounds...was going to do 10 but im more concerend with keeping results so if you guys think i'll keep a little more ill do the 10.. but more importantly pct....i can get clomid and hcg from my doctor and i have aqua dex and nolva bloat from the mcg store...how should i do this?
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Buffalo
MuscleChemistry Member
Not to be a jerk brother but this is stuff you figure out before hand.
Personally I'd run it until at least 10 weeks and at least start with Clomid 40/40/20/20. I'd personally use torem for the same amounts but if you have clomid and don't want to spend anymore just skip the torem.
Then get your labs to make sure you are at your normal production levels.
There are several ways, this is just one.
Personally I'd run it until at least 10 weeks and at least start with Clomid 40/40/20/20. I'd personally use torem for the same amounts but if you have clomid and don't want to spend anymore just skip the torem.
Then get your labs to make sure you are at your normal production levels.
There are several ways, this is just one.
I would use it longer personally if it were me, and i would get the hcg and clomid from your doctor now bro and not wait til last minute, cause if somehting comes up ur gonna be screwed and wind up losing all ur gains
Ok I'm going to get a 5th bottle then go to like 10 weeks... And buffalo in I've done like 4-5 test cycles before and I usually do the clomid thing te way u stated but now I got doc and can get hcg.. And I'm taking nolvadex durin so if that Changes anything or if I should take it all the way to the end. $$ isn't a prob but coming off the best possible way is important to me.
The Dude
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I agree. Also I would slowly lower the doses. I would lengthen it to like 14 weeks and start adding in HCG at around week 12. I'd work my way down to like 25mg EOD during the first week of HCG. I want to say Mike Ross has a great gains keeper formula that he has posted somewhere on here. I'd check it out bro
yeah just run a search on Gains keeper Formula and it will come up
i just reard the article i dont have alot of that stuff...and i have 2 bottles of nolva bloat and one of anti estro from the musclechemistry store plus i have a bottle of clomid from 2 years ago, but from the doctor tomorrow i'll prob get clomid and HCG.. and i'm up for the taper down....
so i'll be at 8 full weeks on sunday.. and im literally down to my last shot... so hopefully i can get another bottle for that.. and if i do i'll have 10 more ml...im at 150mg eod... i dont know how much to taper down... a little bit each shot? or drop bigger amounts and stay steady for a few shots?
make sure i do hcg and test for 2 full weeks together before dropping test for clomid...idk if its asking to much but if u guys have way to fig out how to do it be muchh appreciated...like a formula or rule of thumb
so i'll be at 8 full weeks on sunday.. and im literally down to my last shot... so hopefully i can get another bottle for that.. and if i do i'll have 10 more ml...im at 150mg eod... i dont know how much to taper down... a little bit each shot? or drop bigger amounts and stay steady for a few shots?
make sure i do hcg and test for 2 full weeks together before dropping test for clomid...idk if its asking to much but if u guys have way to fig out how to do it be muchh appreciated...like a formula or rule of thumb
I personaly dont think tapering down from gear is all that needed especially if u have all your Post Cycle Therapy products ready to go
well im glad you said that presser bc i dont have any more test... and cant get anymore only originally planned to do 8 weeks anyway...i have all PCT products...clomid..was thinking week 1-40mg ed week 2-4 2mg ed.. take 10mg of nolva bloat ed....how should i use hcg?
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that was suppose to be 20mg not 2mg***
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that was suppose to be 20mg not 2mg***
yes if u have HCG use it brutha
WesleyInman
National Strongman Competitor
Prop only at 150mgs EOD and 18lbs in 7.5 weeks?? Maybe I come across harsh, but I find that very very hard to believe.
That comes out to be 450-600mgs per week of new test and in less then 2 months??
Anything is possible, but what else were you taking??
Also I am confused, you are experienced enough to do EOD shots, but you don't have a PCT plan or knowledge of PCT?? You have 6000iu's of HCG but it is sold in 5000iu kits, so what gives??
And if I come across abrupt, it is solely because I am reading into this entire thread as not adding up..Sorry I think you need more info to get a legit answer.
That comes out to be 450-600mgs per week of new test and in less then 2 months??
Anything is possible, but what else were you taking??
Also I am confused, you are experienced enough to do EOD shots, but you don't have a PCT plan or knowledge of PCT?? You have 6000iu's of HCG but it is sold in 5000iu kits, so what gives??
And if I come across abrupt, it is solely because I am reading into this entire thread as not adding up..Sorry I think you need more info to get a legit answer.
yea that is alot of weight in 7.5 weeks but i was always 178ish and then i dropped down to 167 cuz i wasnt working out and missing meals... it is possible i read the scale and i started at 177 lbs thats neither here nor there im like 189 now.....and this is like my 4th cycle... ive always taken clomid for PCT... i have 6000 hcg bc my doctor wrote me a script for 1200 and and im giving half to my bro....and ive done a couple hundred posts on here but i stopped working out for years and i forgot my pw to my account and what e-mail i used...... should i add more ml to take the hcg with in the begining or can i take it with clomid... i know how both compounds work//hcg primes them to be used and clomid works in the mind to get them working so i need to take clomid past takin the hcg..whats the best way so i can keep gains?
presser what would ur recomendation be on 10 weeks of prop eod? i didnt pick up the hcg yet.....but i have 30 50mg tabs perscribed by the doc too.... i tried to do research on on this turns out hcg should have been used during.... so now i ask for ur guys expert advice..should i pick it up and if i do how should i take it with the clomid... did 10 weeks 150mg eod of prop took nolvadex all the way thru pretty much....prob my 4-5th cycle.. never used hcg before..can you guys tell me how u would take it
WesleyInman
National Strongman Competitor
What kind of doctor do you have?? And for what reason did he prescribe you the HCG and Clomid??
Are you an HRT recipient??
Also what made you choose to do an 8 week cycle??
What dosage did you run the Nolvadex throughout the cycle, and why did you run Nolva?? Were you having side effects??
Where are you hearing that HCG should be run during an 8-10 week cycle of prop??
Did you read the Gains Keeper formula that Presser recommended in this thread??
i have a doctor who hiooks me up and i dont take hrt. didnt do 8 weeks did 10. chose prop bcause works fast and least water...took nolva 15mg days then bumped up to 20 at the end..had litle bit of acne started holding water.... im aware i might not need hcg.... read that formula dont have those compounds.....last shot of prop is tomorrow so could use some advice on the hcg if i should go pick it up and use it or not..i know its meant for long cycles..due to the fact this is my 4th 5th cycle thinking maybe i should use it otherwise planning on running the nolva bloat steady at 20mg a day... then start clomid 3 days after last shot first 7 days 50 mgs and next 21 at 25
Buffalo
MuscleChemistry Member
I agree that running hcg on cycle seems best just by what endo's have said and what others say about the benefits but is there any information on how long you can run it? Maybe in a 12-16 week cycle but for those that are always "on" is there any benefit or downfall?
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