Testosterone Question- Cypionate, Enanthate, Propionate. HELP

[BreacherUp]

Hadnt been on HCG for several months. So not the HCG.

Maybe the stuff from my pharmacy is a little more high speed than yours, I have no idea.

Not to mention I seriously doubt that HCG would add 500+ to my T levels. If that were the case my HCG would nearly match the effectiveness of your entire Test dose.

 

[CH3NO2]

HCG would not be responsible by itself no, your own natural production would be. HCG just keeps your natural production going. Also some people it may take several months for their own natural production to tail off while on Testosterone. This is why PCT is much more important to some and other people never do it and recover okay. Hormone science is not an exact science. Together we have established many possibilities and many variables between the two of us.

My original point is it you took identical twins whos natural production was shut down and there ng/dl level was zero and gave them 200mg of test cyp a week there levels will be closer to the 700 level than the 1500 level with no other drugs that would effect hormone production taken.

 

[BreacherUp]

Apparently those would be identical twins with your genetics, not mine. But I hear ya.

My original question was in regards to differing Test esters and the multiple theories surrounding them, not to try an figure out why your Test doesnt yield you the same results as mine. I would find a diffrent pharmacy and give that a shot.

 

[CH3NO2]

Genetics has nothing to do with it and neither does the pharmacy. What I'm telling you if you'd listen is that there is another variable as to why your level is at 1000 and its not the test your taking. 200mg per week does not yield over 1000 ng/dl on a male whos natural production has shut down. Throughout this post you have failed to disclose all the variables leading to your test level. You stated 200mg a week yielded you a level of 1500 plus and that turned out to be a lie. HCG and 200mg a week got you there. Anything else you're not telling us?

 

[Presser]

Apparently those would be identical twins with your genetics, not mine. But I hear ya.

My original question was in regards to differing Test esters and the multiple theories surrounding them, not to try an figure out why your Test doesnt yield you the same results as mine. I would find a diffrent pharmacy and give that a shot.

And to that point have you decided to switch to the enanthate or bi-test bro? I really think the enanthate would help. Sorry just trying to get us back on track lol

 

[CH3NO2]

As to your original question why are you not asking your HRT Dr? He is the one with the 10 years of school.

 

[BreacherUp]

Lol. Thank you. I am actually thinking of giving the Enanthate a go although I an not necessarily expecting any huge differences.

Although, now I am contemplating sticking with the Cyp as my pharmacy is obviously doing something right considering CH3NO2 cant barely squeeze T-Levels of 700 out of his 200mg dose. It's probably my daily multi-vitamin that I failed to disclose that is causing the discrepancy.

 

[Presser]

As to your original question why are you not asking your HRT Dr? He is the one with the 10 years of school.

Because that's what these boards are here for considering the ignorance of most doctors on this. So don't discourage people from asking questions here.

 

[BreacherUp]

As to your original question why are you not asking your HRT Dr? He is the one with the 10 years of school.

Well... If you read the post that you decided to hijack, you would realize that my Dr did indeed offer his opinion and gave me several choices. I chose to bring those choices here to gain opinions on the diffrent options. Instead you got upset because you are not getting the same results that I am seeing and decided to start a debate with me.

I can ask my Dr what you should do, considering you are not happy with your low T numbers on your current protocol if you would like?

 

[CH3NO2]

Because that's what these boards are here for considering the ignorance of most doctors on this. So don't discourage people from asking questions here.

Any Dr that has decided to do HRT knows the difference in esters. He's not getting test from his pediatrician or the walk in clinic down the street. And it not like he's going to walk in and tell his Dr what script to write him. I see that going over like a fart in church. "hey Dr, i've had great results on my one cancer med, but I read on this one internet forum from some guy with a cool screen name said I should get prescribed this xxxxx drug." Doesnt happen that way.

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My test levels are more than 1/3 higher than yours? Who is the unhappy one again?

I'm not posting up what to switch because he is unhappy. I'm good to go.

 

[Presser]

Lol I must be missing something lol the guy came here and said his doctor gave him a couple other choices and he decided to ask this community their thoughts on those options. Now it's a pissing match lol and I don't get it

 

[CH3NO2]

Presser he turned it into the pissing match with the snide comments and insults. I simply ask questions about what he posted cause his numbers were artificially elevated and come to find out I was right to suspect he did not achieve what he said he did. He decided on multiple post to insult me, I never once insulted him.

I dont want him posting up bs info to YOUR board members. Thats all. I dont want YOUR members thinking they can take 200mg a week of test and have over a 1500 ng/dl test level.

 

[BreacherUp]

Well see it as you may, I have no reason to be dishonest. 200mg of Test Cyp did put me at >1500. Currently I am at just under 1100 on the same dose that has you at 700. Those are the facts.

NOW, back to the bigger question. Though it doesnt necessarily seem to go along with the notion of "Test is Test", my Dr is telling me that for whatever reason he is seeing the bigger guys (in excess of 6' 220lbs) usually comment that the Enanthate is giving them better results and they are holding less water. He said the bi-test is an option as well but that it would be virtually the same as what I am taking now and maybe a small bump out of the gate with the 50mg of prop that is in the mixture. He seemed to think the enanthate might be a good option give a try. He did leave the final decision up to me as to whether or not I wanted to stick with the cyp, try the enanthate or try the bi-test.

 

[BreacherUp]

That being said, from time to time I will come to this forum because I respect most if its members and their opinions. I read a ton and have always been heavy into researching, however, sometimes I like to post questions without adding much of my own opinion because I like to read what people have to say without my own views skewing those.

As I said, up until today I appreciated the feedback and the constructive comments. I really have no reason to inflate numbers. If I give bogus information, how can I expect to get an accurate answer that might in turn help me? Sorry that you find my results to be "unbelievable" when compared to your own. My goal was not to make you feel bad. Im just merely looking for some input on my personal situation that might help me make a more informed decision as to what direction I move in with my personal TRT protocol.

 

[CH3NO2]

I read through some of your other threads on here Breacher. You've been called out a couple times in the past about test levels and your HRT regiment. I'm not the first to question your 1500 number. Both NukNuk and The Dude have called you out in the past. I see a pattern developing.

I'll leave it at that. Members here can come to their own conclusions. If I'm wrong so be it. I dont post on here to hear myself talk or to win popularity contests.

 

[BreacherUp]

If my memory serves, as that was a long time ago, that was a debate about doses exceeding 200mg of T not being considered TRT, and that it was more like an actual cycle. Again, not the topic of this thread. If you have nothing else of value to add, please quit hijacking my thread.

 

[The Dude]

I've been on a gram for near 5 years. Nothing but lots of muscle. I didn't check what ester you were using and how long after you last doses that you are tested, but 1000 on 200mg is definately high. That's not a bad thing though. There are several plausible explanations and all are a positive for you.
After 5 years of 1g a week the only reason I stopped is because I changed Dr's and ran out. My BP is 120/72. Enzymes are perfect and so is my heart rate. I've had EKG's etc.
I will say that I don't know anyone who has hit over 700ng/dl with 200mg a week. Add in some HCG, Clomid, or a number if other items and I'm sure you'd be where you are. Its just easier with a higher dose to monitor things.
For me Cyp works best. I admin twice a week and my levels are constant and I hold less water than with enanthate. I prefer Prop, but that really should be done at least EOD if at all

 

[MonkeyWrench]

Dude, that's a great post.

 

[BreacherUp]

Makes sense. Thanks for the info.

Have you noticed over time your T levels have declined slightly while keeping everything else the same?

 

[Presser]

Makes sense. Thanks for the info.

Have you noticed over time your T levels have declined slightly while keeping everything else the same?

very good question