So whos bulking or cutting this winter?

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I mostly bulk but may go a different route and try to cut some weight during the cold months. Ive got a buddy that's been into lifting pretty much all his life and a huge monster at that at 275lbs and now he's the leanest hes ever been at 8 percent body fat down to 223lbs. Just wondering what some of you guys plans are for the winter months.
 
Once my shoulder is taken care of ill slowly build my weights back up and get on a bulk to get back to 230 ish.....I am now 205lbs around 15 - 16 % BF.
test e
boldcyp.
npp
tren e ( most likely )

with

Dbol 30 - 50mg
Drol 100mg
each a day for 4 - 5 weeks

im cruising now I don't come off so cruise is Tpp @225 a week.

Cycle will 14-16 weeks before being adjusted.
 
Test Prop/Tren A and IGF, for this fall, so clean bulk, but I switch it up, depends on how lazy my diet gets during the summer. After that cruise, then I'll decide.
 
Lean bulk. Sust/tren/eq then going to end it with dbol actually. Going to back load.
 
Igf, creatine, prop, tren ace, would be my winter bulk, and not clean either, i eat like a fucking pig in the winter but for some reason God made me naturally lean
 
Going for bulk this winter, eating reasonably clean like I always do, but just trying to get the calories up.
 
I'm trying my hardest to do neither. Let me explain. I'm all about simplification so I'm trying to find a diet that is year round for me. I've come to the conclusion that calories are complete bull shit. The biggest mistake in the food industry is that there are calories listed on the packaging of foods. Some fats actually only give you 7g of calories of energy where as some give you 11g or 12g. Nobody tells you this. The same is true of protein and carbs. I'd be willing to be that it varies from person to person too although nobody has proven this yet. I have been eating at least 5k calories per day -no supplements- and less than 100g of carbs ed and I'm leaner than I was when I did an "industry standard" cut this summer on gear mind you with only 1800 calories with low fat, moderate carbs, and high protein (well as high as you can go with 1800 calories LOL). If I didn't get so freaking constipated on keto, I would probably have carbs only once every 5 days.

So my question is why can't you get bigger and leaner or stay the same year round while getting bigger and stronger. We all know you have to be in a surplus of calories to have significant growth. So I want to have my cake and eat it too so that's exactly what I plan to do. Fuck counting calories. Fuck macros. What the hell is a macro anyway? Everyone IK who counts their MACROS has MICRO muscles and MICRO Strength. Seriously, you think the biggest mofo in the gym thought about how many reeces puffs he could eat before he came to the gym so he didn't spill over his allotted calories for the day? Hell no! The only thoughts he had were stuff like this: "do I need these carbs to lift heavy?" ; "is this a good time to eat carbs?" ; "could I get by with just protein/fat?" ; what supplements should I take with it like igf, GDA's, ect... with these carbs to get back to keto faster?"

One more thing that is ass backwards to me... why would you eat complex carbs if you are trying to lose fat and build muscle. Greater insluin spike = more muscle. Faster the carb (ie more sugary/ higher GI) = the faster your blood sugar is low again. If you eat complex carbs, you get less of an insulin spike and have the carbs in your system longer preventing you from losing fat even after you don't need to use the carbs anymore (ie after training). I say eat nothing but sugary carbs, unless you are carbing up the night before a training session or having a cheat meal. Now if you eat carbs a lot like all day then you would probably get fat doing this, but if you have a low carb diet like me then there is no benefit to the "clean carbs."

So I'm going to eat based totally on feel (for me that's going keto occasionally and high fat moderate protein), train like an animal, take the supplements that work for me, and if I want to get peeled ECA 3x ed and yohimbine with a keto diet for 3 weeks with water manipulation prior to whatever I'm getting peeled for and boom I'm there.

With this method, I won't ever think about eating and can concentrate on more enjoyable things. Essentially, I'm eating for the next 12 hours. If I'm squatting in 12 hours more carbs and possibly a cheat meal, if not bacon and eggs and vegetables. So simple.
 
I'm trying my hardest to do neither. Let me explain. I'm all about simplification so I'm trying to find a diet that is year round for me. I've come to the conclusion that calories are complete bull shit. The biggest mistake in the food industry is that there are calories listed on the packaging of foods. Some fats actually only give you 7g of calories of energy where as some give you 11g or 12g. Nobody tells you this. The same is true of protein and carbs. I'd be willing to be that it varies from person to person too although nobody has proven this yet. I have been eating at least 5k calories per day -no supplements- and less than 100g of carbs ed and I'm leaner than I was when I did an "industry standard" cut this summer on gear mind you with only 1800 calories with low fat, moderate carbs, and high protein (well as high as you can go with 1800 calories LOL). If I didn't get so freaking constipated on keto, I would probably have carbs only once every 5 days.

So my question is why can't you get bigger and leaner or stay the same year round while getting bigger and stronger. We all know you have to be in a surplus of calories to have significant growth. So I want to have my cake and eat it too so that's exactly what I plan to do. Fuck counting calories. Fuck macros. What the hell is a macro anyway? Everyone IK who counts their MACROS has MICRO muscles and MICRO Strength. Seriously, you think the biggest mofo in the gym thought about how many reeces puffs he could eat before he came to the gym so he didn't spill over his allotted calories for the day? Hell no! The only thoughts he had were stuff like this: "do I need these carbs to lift heavy?" ; "is this a good time to eat carbs?" ; "could I get by with just protein/fat?" ; what supplements should I take with it like igf, GDA's, ect... with these carbs to get back to keto faster?"

One more thing that is ass backwards to me... why would you eat complex carbs if you are trying to lose fat and build muscle. Greater insluin spike = more muscle. Faster the carb (ie more sugary/ higher GI) = the faster your blood sugar is low again. If you eat complex carbs, you get less of an insulin spike and have the carbs in your system longer preventing you from losing fat even after you don't need to use the carbs anymore (ie after training). I say eat nothing but sugary carbs, unless you are carbing up the night before a training session or having a cheat meal. Now if you eat carbs a lot like all day then you would probably get fat doing this, but if you have a low carb diet like me then there is no benefit to the "clean carbs."

So I'm going to eat based totally on feel (for me that's going keto occasionally and high fat moderate protein), train like an animal, take the supplements that work for me, and if I want to get peeled ECA 3x ed and yohimbine with a keto diet for 3 weeks with water manipulation prior to whatever I'm getting peeled for and boom I'm there.

With this method, I won't ever think about eating and can concentrate on more enjoyable things. Essentially, I'm eating for the next 12 hours. If I'm squatting in 12 hours more carbs and possibly a cheat meal, if not bacon and eggs and vegetables. So simple.
That's pretty much how I've been doing it for a long time now, but your right everybody's genetic make-up on how your body deals with food is not the same. FDA is just a guide line based on an average of average persons. I stay lean pretty much all year long, as I was never a fat or big genetic guy, I have a fast metabolic system that let's me cram in calories and stay pretty low on body fat, it's just my body, and think you should be in-tune with how your body deals with foods, I count protein, sugar, sat fats, and salt, but other than that its open range. You should know your body on food just like you know your body on a cycle, dial it in.
 
i usually do bulk and my plans were to have already started bulking but my gf wants me to start doing these runs with her so ive been doing cardio and more reps less weight. i havent lost much weight but still eating like a champ. i was looking at cyber suppz aqua plex and may try that after the run in november. im probably going to take my bulking into Feb instead of January
 
That's pretty much how I've been doing it for a long time now, but your right everybody's genetic make-up on how your body deals with food is not the same. FDA is just a guide line based on an average of average persons. I stay lean pretty much all year long, as I was never a fat or big genetic guy, I have a fast metabolic system that let's me cram in calories and stay pretty low on body fat, it's just my body, and think you should be in-tune with how your body deals with foods, I count protein, sugar, sat fats, and salt, but other than that its open range. You should know your body on food just like you know your body on a cycle, dial it in.

Very good point... guys have no problem saying that steroid xyz just doesn't work with them, but often times have such a hard time with their diets. If they applied the same strategy to their dieting, more people would stop over eating, eat smarter, eat more, ect whatever their problem may be. It's just hard for people to not listen to the "common knowledge" of how to get big strong ect.

For the guys who are bulking... Does bulking mean get fatter or just switch esters LOL?
 
For the guys who are bulking... Does bulking mean get fatter or just switch esters LOL?
bulking for me is putting on more weight and training heavy. i tend to get fatter when bulking but im also putting on more muscle and pushing a lot more fucking weight. when it comes to eating i go by what my body is telling me i train harder in the winter and my body craves more nutrients
 
bulking for me is putting on more weight and training heavy. i tend to get fatter when bulking but im also putting on more muscle and pushing a lot more fucking weight. when it comes to eating i go by what my body is telling me i train harder in the winter and my body craves more nutrients

Bulking for me used to mean getting bloated and fat. Lifting heavy felt so good. Now that I'm lean, I feel like my body is going to snap in half sometimes when I'm squatting (even though I'm stronger than I was when I was bigger).
 
I've given up any hope of a "bulk" or a "cut" cycle. I just take shit, eat shit and see what shit happens lol
 
Bulk, this summer heat has killed me size wise. I plan on running 12-16 weeks of test e at 900mgs a week, 600mgs of deca a week and weeks 1-6 dbol at 45mgs a day. I also have 2 bottles of npp/prop blend I may throw in at the beginning. Plus like Presser said I'm gonna eat like a pig because I'm naturally lean also.
 
I am one that that was never above around 20% bf.
However my last 2 blasts that I did along with really tightening up my diet made such a huge difference.
I dropped a shit ton of body fat all the while continueing to get stronger and grow.
i can now at 43 say hey I got ab's.......But anyway I agree that "a clean bulk" is the way to go.

So my plan of anabolics may be changed up but the main ingredients is a ton of clean quality calories, HIGH protein then normal and bust my ass lifting.

my goal will be 4000 calories on the low end to 5-5500 calories on the high end.
im 205 and will be happy with a solid 10 lb muscle gain but more is better in this case .
I don't normally go higher then 600mg a week of test but may go 750 or higher this run
And also try out stacking the igf you all rave about.

ALL WHILE KEEPING MY AB'S..!! Lol
 
I am one that that was never above around 20% bf.
However my last 2 blasts that I did along with really tightening up my diet made such a huge difference.
I dropped a shit ton of body fat all the while continueing to get stronger and grow.
i can now at 43 say hey I got ab's.......But anyway I agree that "a clean bulk" is the way to go.

So my plan of anabolics may be changed up but the main ingredients is a ton of clean quality calories, HIGH protein then normal and bust my ass lifting.

my goal will be 4000 calories on the low end to 5-5500 calories on the high end.
im 205 and will be happy with a solid 10 lb muscle gain but more is better in this case .
I don't normally go higher then 600mg a week of test but may go 750 or higher this run
And also try out stacking the igf you all rave about.

ALL WHILE KEEPING MY AB'S..!! Lol

43 with abs is a rare commodity these days, congrats
 
Bulking for me used to mean getting bloated and fat. Lifting heavy felt so good. Now that I'm lean, I feel like my body is going to snap in half sometimes when I'm squatting (even though I'm stronger than I was when I was bigger).
i know many guys who get stronger when they lean out but that hasnt been my luck. i got fairly close to a 6 pack this summer and reached the goal of 200lbs but my strength was pitiful. i could only workout with a plate on squats and 2 plates on bench my back was still fairly strong but felt like a sissy most days in the gym. if i dont eat an hour before working out i know i will have a poor workout.

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i also dont run any prohormones or take creatine in the summer/cutting so that probably has something to do with it
 
tren ace ,prop , hdrol, mc igf, maybe cyp to. slin... who knows lol trying to get big!
 
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