How much are you taking of each? That could be the issue.
Eq takes a long time to get into your system. Just stay with it. 400 to 600 mg is usually the sweet spot for most people.
gearheaded
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most guys mis-use EQ thinking it will do something all on its own ... doesn't work that way . Its mainly a 'filler' compound used to fill in the gaps to a cycle to make a cycle cleaner and still highly anabolic (EQ is nothing but a class 1 steroid just like testoerone that happens to convert to dht and estrogen way less then Test does .. its a clean testosterone).
e.g..
if you normally would blast with 1000mg of test as your base along with your anabolics like 500mg of tren and 600mg mast .. then you put EQ in their to offset your 'base' . so instead of 1000mg of test , you run 250mg of test and add 750mg of EQ to make up the differences ,, so you have your 1gram base but much cleaner and side effect free.
e.g..
if you normally would blast with 1000mg of test as your base along with your anabolics like 500mg of tren and 600mg mast .. then you put EQ in their to offset your 'base' . so instead of 1000mg of test , you run 250mg of test and add 750mg of EQ to make up the differences ,, so you have your 1gram base but much cleaner and side effect free.
Great information.
JackSteel
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Being as anabolic as testosterone, no it’s not worthless. You said 2ccs... but we have to know how much is in a cc. If it’s 200mg per cc then I would increase I️t. EQ makes me ravenous and I️t never goes away like mk677 appetite does for me.
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JackSteel
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No not at all. If you can’t do I️t with aas then GH will be of little help for size. Might help shed some adipose though.
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gearheaded
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HGH is the real deal especially when combined with insulin . actually Dave Palumbo was just asked this question, if you have all the AAS you wanted but could only choose between HGH/Inuslin or Tren which one would you take, and Dave said HGH and insulin .
the key is you have to run it long term stacked with AAS over a period of months and months (I'm talking 24+ months). Heres why it adds quality mass over time ,, our muscles have dormant satellite cells, so instead of just making your current muscle cells bigger, HGH use can activate these satellite cells and they eventually grow into full size new muscle cells (again this takes time). Add insulin to this and you greatly increase your IGF1 and you have even more growth potential , besides the fact that Insulin can shuttle glycogen and amino acids into muscle cells and thus accelerate growth.
Another thing about HGH/insulin use is that its a non Myostatin regulated growth factor .. When you take for example 1000mg of Testosterone, after a period of about 8 weeks your body will up-regulate Myostatin (this is to keep the body in homeostasis and to keep it from unnecessary muscle growth.. so Test will only take you so far and then growth stops all together ) , but HGH, IGF, and insulin do not cause this up-regulation . so you can actually run them for years without getting de-sensitized and having Mysotatin increase (unlike AAS where your body de-sensitizes after about 8 weeks).
As for AAS use and bulking . Its best to run powerful anabolics stacked with things that are highly estrogenic and androgenic.
You'll see guys run Test, Tren, and Masteron .. your not going to bulk off of this. If your going to run for example Tren (which is dry and does not convert to estrogen), then you need to have something very 'wet' and estrogenic along with it to help with growth .. like Tren + Ment , or Tren + Dbol or Anadrol .. also you can't over do it with your AI and expect a lot of bulk and mass. Ment will convert to estrogen a ton, so when you stack that with the Tren now you've taken a powerful powerful anabolic and given it way more growth potential by throwing in something that heavily aromatizes (same with Dbol)..
Also adding in a Class 2 steroid , ie., steroids that work outside and independent of the androgen receptor, can aide in growth as it works differently then testosterone (which works on the directly on the AR).. Dbol for example helps you grow by ways outside of having to bind to the Androgen receptor , it will help partition nutrients, like carbohydrates, and will fill your muscle cells up with glycogen and water (which will make you bigger fuller and stronger).. Using these class 2 compounds stacked with strong anabolics and again estrogen can definitely help you with a successful bulk.
thats why EQ is not the best bulker , its very clean and doesn't convert heavily to estrogen or dHT ,. its more of a slow and steady anabolic that can aide in a cycle, but definitely won't blow you up like a proper bulk stack will do
hope that helps
chihuahua
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Solid info..
blacktail
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Dbol 20mg a day for 5 weeks
Test sust 500mg a week 1-15
Deca 300mg a week 1-12
This should give me 20 or more pounds. Keeping at lest 15.
Done a lot of reading and this seems to be the most liked mass/bulk cycle. Fist run with dbol so really looking forward to this!
Thanks Muscle mechanic and MECCA
Test sust 500mg a week 1-15
Deca 300mg a week 1-12
This should give me 20 or more pounds. Keeping at lest 15.
Done a lot of reading and this seems to be the most liked mass/bulk cycle. Fist run with dbol so really looking forward to this!
Thanks Muscle mechanic and MECCA
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gearheaded
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MENT is methyl-19-nortestosterone.. also called Trestalone Acetate. its a 19nor based steroid like Deca and Tren. its basically a 19nor derived polar opposite of Tren,, Tren does not convert to estrogen but is very androgenic and converts to DHT , while MENT is more anabolic then androgenic and does not convert to DHT at all but does covert heavily to estrogen. So tren is 'dry' while MENT is 'wet'. Ment is very much a bulking steroid, and its high estrogen conversion is a good thing for the purpose of bulking.
I find that adding a very wet compound to small amounts of Tren are very good for bulking and adding lean tissue
eg., Tren will get you dry full and hard, but add Ment to the Tren and you blow up, then throw in another anabolic like deca/npp
heres some examples of solid bulking cycles
Test 400mg week
Tren 350mg week
Ment 350mg week
Npp 350mg week
or
Anadrol or Dbol (100mg drol or 50mg dbol)
Test 500mg week
Deca 500mg week
Tren 350mg week
1.5 grams of gear a week or so is about all you need
yes I'm a fan of 19 nors for bulking and will combine them. if your super prolactin sensitive then don't. Also I'm a fan of having at least one heavily aromatizing compound in the stack for bulking , estrogen is helpful during a bulk, if your gyno prone or estrogen sensitive then don't
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gearheaded
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test , deca, dbol is a classic bulk cycle, good choice brother! I've ran it a dozen times or more, always have deca and dbol on hand.
only thing I would change is your D-bol protocol. in order to maintain the good intercellular water and glycogen gains you get from D-bol, and not piss them all away when you come off, is to run it longer with a taper method, starting with a higher dose and going lower over time.
eg.,
D-bol 40mg weeks 1-4
D-bol 30mg weeks 5-6
D-bol 20mg weeks 7-10
YES that is 10 weeks of D-bol and lots of guys will suggest this is too long.. it might be too long if you blasted 50-100mg a day for 10 weeks but thats not what we are doing. we are dropping the dose down to a very low and non toxic dose , that way we can acclimate to the gains without putting to much stress on the liver.
everyone talks about D-bol sucks and they lose all their gains .. thats cause they only run it for 4 weeks , your body does not have any reason to hold onto those gains after just 4 weeks ,, you have to force your body to acclimate to those gains over a period of at least 10 weeks , you'll get much more tissue growth and keepable gains ,, the water weight you get from the d-bol will help drive amino acids and nutrients into muscle cells . we don't want to piss that all away after just 4 or 5 weeks
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