Amp vs. sachet

[Ox 51]

Hey guys. I'm checking out the test e on naps and I noticed they have it in 5 ml sachet quite a bit cheaper than getting 5 1ml amps. I searched the posts for info on sachets and there isn't much recent talk on the subject. Does anyone use them? Do they still ship easier than amps or vials?

 

[Dash_wag]

Where r u buying the from mate pm me and ill have a look

 

[Ox 51]

Any help here guys?

 

[h8tr3d]

Any help here guys?

amps are human grade, and the sachels are probably UG. You pay more for HG. I think its worth it if you have the dough

 

[Ox 51]

Really? I was assuming it was the same stuff, just packaged differently. So, you would recommend the amps?

Also, a 10 week supply is 20 amps, right? Is that a risky shipment? I don't know how much stuff most people order at once.

 

[h8tr3d]

Really? I was assuming it was the same stuff, just packaged differently. So, you would recommend the amps?

Also, a 10 week supply is 20 amps, right? Is that a risky shipment? I don't know how much stuff most people order at once.

it depends.... test is test,yes, but UG and HG are not synonomous. HG is supposedly better quality, and doses are acurate, whereas UG, you are trusting your source, whob is making/manufacturing it. HG is pharmaceutical grade, while UG could be someone who is buying powders, then, making the gear,bottling, and selling. Ive used both before, and had great results!

As far as 10 week supply..... that all depends on the dose you want to run. Is this your first cycle? If so, you want more than just test bro

 

[Ox 51]

As far as 10 week supply..... that all depends on the dose you want to run. Is this your first cycle? If so, you want more than just test bro

Yeah, this will be my first cycle. Presser told me on this thread that I should start with a test based cycle to get started:

http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/musclechemistry-discussion/52818-info-newbies.html

Do I need more?

 

[h8tr3d]

yeah you want some anti-estrogens, because you dont know if your susceptible to gyno or not. Nolvadex, and arimidex, are both good to have on hand. You can get them at the MC store. I suggest running test by itself, so you can see what type of sides you get from it. If you use say..... test and d-bol, and start getting gyno, you are not going to know what compound is giving it to you, being your first cycle

 

[Ox 51]

yeah you want some anti-estrogens, because you dont know if your susceptible to gyno or not. Nolvadex, and arimidex, are both good to have on hand. You can get them at the MC store. I suggest running test by itself, so you can see what type of sides you get from it. If you use say..... test and d-bol, and start getting gyno, you are not going to know what compound is giving it to you, being your first cycle

Okay, that's what I was thinking...I just wasn't sure about the anti-estrogen. Or, more specifically, I wasn't sure when you used it. I need to study up more on PCT. Do you even need PCT if you are only running test? Or, is that more for heavier stacks?

 

[h8tr3d]

Okay, that's what I was thinking...I just wasn't sure about the anti-estrogen. Or, more specifically, I wasn't sure when you used it. I need to study up more on PCT. Do you even need PCT if you are only running test? Or, is that more for heavier stacks?

yeah you need it, it will still shut you down. Im not too sure the doses, but people use clomid and hcg and nolva for PCT. What dose of test do you plan on running?

 

[Ox 51]

I was going to try a test e 250 doing two doses a week. That's a pretty standard starting dosage, right?

Also, you said: people use clomid and hcg and nolva for PCT. Does that mean I just pick one of those, or use all three? I never realized what a complicated process this all was.

 

[h8tr3d]

I was going to try a test e 250 doing two doses a week. That's a pretty standard starting dosage, right?

Also, you said: people use clomid and hcg and nolva for PCT. Does that mean I just pick one of those, or use all three? I never realized what a complicated process this all was.

this is just the tip of the iceberg bro,lol! Well i have not done PCT in a while, but when i did, i think i used clomid, nolva, and exeplex(aromasin). I cannot remember the dose though. 500mg is fine for a first cycle. Just have the nolva on had for gyno symptoms, and the armidex is good too.


i'll bump this though for ya for a PCT protocol

 

[Shaptown]

weeks 1-12: 500mg test e (split into 2 injections of 250mg Mon/Thurs)
weeks 1-17: 12.5mg Aromasin ED
weeks 3-12: 500 IU HCG subq (split into 250IU with each test injection Mon/Thurs)
weeks 14-17: 50mg Clomid ED

 

[big in vegas]

Shaptown knows his shit, he's probably one of the best cycle creators I've ever seen, got me on a great one last month

 

[Ox 51]

Thanks a lot guys. This may be a dumb question, but are any of these things legal to buy? Or, should I order them from naps with my test?

 

[h8tr3d]

Naps bro

 

[Ox 51]

It looks like the Aromasin and Clomid are orals. Are either of these very hard on the liver? Will I need to use a liver protection product while taking these? I took Accutane (strong acne medication) for 6 months, so I wonder how much damage my liver has taken.

 

[h8tr3d]

It looks like the Aromasin and Clomid are orals. Are either of these very hard on the liver? Will I need to use a liver protection product while taking these? I took Accutane (strong acne medication) for 6 months, so I wonder how much damage my liver has taken.

im on accutane, test,eq,anadrol,IGF,arimidex, nolva and i drink every now and then.... now more than then. No jaundice yet for me

 

[MrPerfect]

id stay away from sachets simply because of having to transfer it to a vial... i like to keep things simple

amps are good, but vials are the easiest...

 

[big lifter]

Ox just get some nolva with your test e. start the nolva 2 weeks after your last shot of test. geez people are making first cycles complicated these days.
nolva is more than enough pct for a 500mg test cycle esecially if it only a 10-12 weeker, you'll be fine mate. literally 95% of guys i know have never done a pct and thats after cycles of over 1500mg test and about 1200mg deca, i even know guys who have done bigger cycles then that without using pct they dont even know what it is. it might take them a bit longer to recover but they still get there. back in the day nobody did pct mate.. dont be overly concerned with it. i'd still recommend using nolva post cycle though it will def help you get back on your feet a bit faster, if u do start getting gyno symptoms through your cycle then start the nolva when that arises but you should be fine.
train hard and eat hard mate, first cycles are alot of fun.

Edit, nearly forgot your liver will be fine too, same as h8tr3d said ive also done cycles where i was running anadrol,nolva,proviron,accutane and i think maybe some other orals all at once, no probs here either. nolva on its own will be fine for your liver.