Anyone ever have any serious health problems?

[Pumping Iron]

I've been thinking over the past week since I started my second cycle of the year that it's getting harder and harder to use gear.. I remember when I first started using it about 7 years ago, I never once felt any side effects or any of those "what the heck was that" type feelings.. Now, it seems every thing I do i feel like absolute shit, constant pains, tired, increased heart rate, sometimes I get that dizzy feelings etc.. I just don't think after this one i can do this shit anymore... Any of you guys who have been using for a long long time ever have any serious problems? I'm starting to worry that shit is wrong, even though i just went to the doc and got checked up and was totally fine..I just have a hard time believing it when I feel this way.. sometimes scary feelings.. These feelings I get just don't seem normal.. Feel like I may go to sleep and never wake up.. :uhoh:

I've never done large dosages and nothing ever over 12 weeks.. right now I'm on prop/tren/igf-1 but actually dropped the tren as that shit was totally fucking me up.. I couldn't handle that shit.. so I'm just doing prop/igf-1 and right now I feel fine, but once I do my EOD prick tomorrow of the prop for the entire day I'll feel all fucked up..

You guys get that shit? any recommendations on supplements to combat some of these issues? I'm really only on a Multi-Vitamin and use protein shakes/bars and liquid omega,3,6,9.

rant off :thumbsup:

 

[jtunderdog]

Ive had some sides in the past. Dizziness came when my bp was up. Have you had your cholesterol checked lately? Just a thought. Anyways when Ive had other sides it was usually on orals. Ive had back pain when I didn't drink enough water and oddly enough over the counter supps like noxplode caused me some sides as well. I have blood work done every three months to be safe. If you can get it done it wouldn't hurt to get some liver panels and metabolic panels done.

 

[Presser]

I've been thinking over the past week since I started my second cycle of the year that it's getting harder and harder to use gear.. I remember when I first started using it about 7 years ago, I never once felt any side effects or any of those "what the heck was that" type feelings.. Now, it seems every thing I do i feel like absolute shit, constant pains, tired, increased heart rate, sometimes I get that dizzy feelings etc.. I just don't think after this one i can do this shit anymore... Any of you guys who have been using for a long long time ever have any serious problems? I'm starting to worry that shit is wrong, even though i just went to the doc and got checked up and was totally fine..I just have a hard time believing it when I feel this way.. sometimes scary feelings.. These feelings I get just don't seem normal.. Feel like I may go to sleep and never wake up.. :uhoh:

I've never done large dosages and nothing ever over 12 weeks.. right now I'm on prop/tren/igf-1 but actually dropped the tren as that shit was totally fucking me up.. I couldn't handle that shit.. so I'm just doing prop/igf-1 and right now I feel fine, but once I do my EOD prick tomorrow of the prop for the entire day I'll feel all fucked up..

You guys get that shit? any recommendations on supplements to combat some of these issues? I'm really only on a Multi-Vitamin and use protein shakes/bars and liquid omega,3,6,9.

rant off :thumbsup:

Get a hold of yourself man! lol. Seriously though I have had feelings exactly like this! and I just change directions in terms of what gear im using, and when it gets realy bad its usualy from the tren, which I see you have figured out already!

I also get regular blood work done and it always comes out just fine, but yes I to worry about my insides being rotted,lol, but its all in my head, i am perfectly fine as i am sure you are, and even though ur considering coming off for good you prolly will not,lol,

 

[NAIR]

Your sypmtoms are consistent with hundreds if not thousands of conditions. If its from anything your using, I'd bet on the igf though. Sounds like hypo symtoms. Carb up or kick the the igf.

Or maybe you just a pussy? ;-)

 

[NAIR]

and even though ur considering coming off for good you prolly will not,lol,

lol!

 

[Presser]

Your sypmtoms are consistent with hundreds if not thousands of conditions. If its from anything your using, I'd bet on the igf though. Sounds like hypo symtoms. Carb up or kick the the igf.

Or maybe you just a pussy? ;-)

My guess is the pussy part,lol

 

[The Dude]

I've been using 11 years with a few off cycles, but now I never come off. I control everything in my body. Test levels, IGF, ambien, Xyrem - prescribed GHB, valium, antidepressants.... screw nature!! I feel awesome all the time and I have and continue to go through some serious sh!t....

 

[Presser]

Thats why were called "MuscleChemistry" baby!

 

[Pumping Iron]

I've been fine on the IGF, no Hypo.. Is IGF-1 known to cause increased BP and Heart Rate increases? I'm sure It was from the tren but even after being off that for awhile and just using prop/igf-1 I still feel crazy but not as bad as with the tren, f that shit... it could also be my vagina growing, you guys may be right.

 

[Pumping Iron]

Ive had some sides in the past. Dizziness came when my bp was up. Have you had your cholesterol checked lately? Just a thought. Anyways when Ive had other sides it was usually on orals. Ive had back pain when I didn't drink enough water and oddly enough over the counter supps like noxplode caused me some sides as well. I have blood work done every three months to be safe. If you can get it done it wouldn't hurt to get some liver panels and metabolic panels done.

I haven't had my Cholesterol checked in awhile but I did have my liver test and matabolic done about a month ago, everything was fine. It's amazing now that I dropped the tren my BP went from 147/92 to 132/82 that shit is crazy. I just measured it, can't believe the difference.

 

[Presser]

I've been fine on the IGF, no Hypo.. Is IGF-1 known to cause increased BP and Heart Rate increases? I'm sure It was from the tren but even after being off that for awhile and just using prop/igf-1 I still feel crazy but not as bad as with the tren, f that shit... it could also be my vagina growing, you guys may be right.

Lmao , see we wouldnt steer ya in the wrong direction brutha, or shall I say Sista,lol

 

[The Dude]

I wouldn't get bummed about it or say you're a pussy. Some things just don't agree with some people. I can't drink alcohol. It destroys my stomach and wrecks me for days after. I've also been priviledged to see first hand how quickly my body processes alcohol. It is insane. Drank 9 oz's of vodka in 1 hour. Blew a .06, so it took me 20 minutes or around there to drink another 5 oz's of Rum. Blew .07, thinking that couldn't be right, we waited 45 minutes so all the alcohol would be in my blood. Blew a .06 of course I was fucking lit, but 5 other people joined in and all of their reading were in line with what they should be.

 

[The Dude]

Sorry, went off topic a bit

 

[saudades]

I've been fine on the IGF, no Hypo.. Is IGF-1 known to cause increased BP and Heart Rate increases?

No, IGF doesn't increase bp or increase heart rate to my knowledge.

To answer your original question, I have felt like crap before, but that was when I was using something other than plain old test cyp. If I have 300-400mg/week, I feel great. If I use test prop, it's hit or miss, but initially I feel good. If I add anything else in there such as tren, then I have times where I feel awful and times where I feel okay. It's all in how the body uses these hormones. Test cyp is pretty much about the same as what your body produces with an ester that the body handles well. That's probably why it works so well and is the choice of most endocrinologists/doctors.

 

[Pumping Iron]

Lmao , see we wouldnt steer ya in the wrong direction brutha, or shall I say Sista,lol

I knew you had my back brotha, thanks :saywhat:

 

[Stickler*]

honestly bro... there are so many different things you can take to alter your physique. ... you just need to keep listening to your body and how it feels, take what works, and doesn't mess you up. I WILL say this.... it's not a rocket science response... but I feel a thousand times better when taking large amounts of gear.... when i add the 'old faithfull three' elements from GNC ... saw palmetto, cranberry extract, and milk thistle... add your omega's, your multivitamin, and drink lots of water... hydration.. or dehydration can make you feel aches, pains, mess with your vision, your head, and cramp up your muscles, not to mention your insides feel like shit....

add a little extra fiber to your diet and shit more.. LOL.. release some toxins...

but seriously.. as we get older, I think we just become more aware of how our body feels, we're not die hard newbies who just do shit and don't think that sides are really sides... they are just part of the game...

when you do cycles and feel no pain/issues, and then years later start to notice more and more different 'feelings' .... it's because we know how to look for them... by finding those differences, it allows you to tweak your cycles, your body, your diet, routine, and sleep patterns to better fit your lifestyle and help you get the most out of what your doing w/o adding harmful sides in the mix

 

[Pumping Iron]

No, IGF doesn't increase bp or increase heart rate to my knowledge.

To answer your original question, I have felt like crap before, but that was when I was using something other than plain old test cyp. If I have 300-400mg/week, I feel great. If I use test prop, it's hit or miss, but initially I feel good. If I add anything else in there such as tren, then I have times where I feel awful and times where I feel okay. It's all in how the body uses these hormones. Test cyp is pretty much about the same as what your body produces with an ester that the body handles well. That's probably why it works so well and is the choice of most endocrinologists/doctors.

That is almost exactly how I feel, at least from this last go around.. I just did a cyp/eq cycle about 3 months ago and felt totally fine.. I've done prop before and felt like crap for the first week but then felt great.. This go around I think the stuff I have is just that much better.. It's really only been about a 1 1/2 weeks so I think it will turn around for the better.. I measured my BP again 118/80 unreal how much that tren f's with you, never touching that shit again.. I love prop tho, it is by far my favorite.. Feel every muscle and rock hard (not in a gay way) I could see where that comment will go with this bunch, lmao..:disgust: anyways, thanks for the advice guys..

 

[Pumping Iron]

honestly bro... there are so many different things you can take to alter your physique. ... you just need to keep listening to your body and how it feels, take what works, and doesn't mess you up. I WILL say this.... it's not a rocket science response... but I feel a thousand times better when taking large amounts of gear.... when i add the 'old faithfull three' elements from GNC ... saw palmetto, cranberry extract, and milk thistle... add your omega's, your multivitamin, and drink lots of water... hydration.. or dehydration can make you feel aches, pains, mess with your vision, your head, and cramp up your muscles, not to mention your insides feel like shit....

add a little extra fiber to your diet and shit more.. LOL.. release some toxins...

but seriously.. as we get older, I think we just become more aware of how our body feels, we're not die hard newbies who just do shit and don't think that sides are really sides... they are just part of the game...

when you do cycles and feel no pain/issues, and then years later start to notice more and more different 'feelings' .... it's because we know how to look for them... by finding those differences, it allows you to tweak your cycles, your body, your diet, routine, and sleep patterns to better fit your lifestyle and help you get the most out of what your doing w/o adding harmful sides in the mix

I take a fiber powder with my protein shake, I shit plenty brotha.. :laugh: but i do actually need to pickup some other basic supplements, kind of slacking with that shit this time.. Maybe that is half my problem.. Not enough vitamins.

 

[NAIR]

No, IGF doesn't increase bp or increase heart rate to my knowledge.

Well it does indirectly. IGF can induce hypoglycemia, which of course eleveates bp and causes heart palpitations and increased heart rate and even dizziness etc. I just looked at what he was using and thought his sides corresponded with symptoms of hypo. Never knew ANY gear could make a person dizzy.

 

[Pumping Iron]

good call bro, I do need to pickup a few supplements.. I'm usually pretty good about that shit but for some reason am really slacking in that department this time around.. Anyways, today was my first day without any sign of tren, and I feel GREAT!!! Took my prop 100 EOD shot around 3pm and feel totally normal.. Eases my mind a ton now.. Now I can enjoy my workouts and my day to day activities without feeling like im going to collapse...