Best LONG TERM steroid?
- Thread starter The Dude
- Start date
fstr03svtcobra
New member
I think testosterone is the best long term steroid. However, setting aside test, primo is probably the safest. Deca is right up there too aside from its impact on arteries.
WesleyInman
National Strongman Competitor
All good answers..almost seems it comes down to preference.
If I could get a script for HRT cyp (200mgs EW) year round with 100mg amps of Primo per day and 50mgs of var per day..I would be a happy happy man. That combo for me is safe, effective and I feel like a million bucks... Years ago when I was on AAS, I did it for like 4 months straight and it was amazing...Expensive though.
If I could get a script for HRT cyp (200mgs EW) year round with 100mg amps of Primo per day and 50mgs of var per day..I would be a happy happy man. That combo for me is safe, effective and I feel like a million bucks... Years ago when I was on AAS, I did it for like 4 months straight and it was amazing...Expensive though.
Buffalo
MuscleChemistry Member
1amp per day of Primo.......ugh......I wish!
I can see that you picked about the 2 most expensive items out there
fstr03svtcobra
New member
Dorian:
Nandrolone eleven times more damaging to blood vessels than testosterone
Presser, hope I'm ok in posting this. I don't think there is a forum attached to this website.
Nandrolone eleven times more damaging to blood vessels than testosterone
Presser, hope I'm ok in posting this. I don't think there is a forum attached to this website.
Last edited by a moderator:
Nandrolone eleven times more damaging to blood vessels than testosterone
Nandrolone kills the blood vessel lining at a concentration eleven times lower than that at which testosterone kills them. Researchers from the University of L’Aquila in Italy discovered this in laboratory tests on human cells.
Heavy and long-term use of anabolic steroids such as testosterone and nandrolone increases the chance of fatal heart failure, and even more so when combined with recreational drugs like cocaine.
[TABLE="align: right"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD]<ins style="display: inline-table; border: none; height: 600px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; visibility: visible; width: 120px; "><ins id="aswift_1_anchor" style="display: block; border: none; height: 600px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; visibility: visible; width: 120px; "><iframe style="width: 120px" height="600" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" vspace="0" hspace="0" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no" id="aswift_1" name="aswift_1"></iframe></ins></ins>[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
There are several theories, which do not exclude each other, as to why anabolic steroids have this effect. The most well known is that anabolic steroids make the heart muscle grow, sometimes to deadly proportions. This effect doesn’t set in after a single course of supplements, or even after a heavy dosage, but only after prolonged use. The chance of the heart muscle becoming enlarged increases even more when anabolic steroids are used in combination with human growth hormone.
Anabolic steroids also have an immediate effect on heart and blood vessels. In high concentrations they kill heart cells and produce blood clots. These tiny, almost invisible clots can cut tissue from the blood vessel lining.
Another negative effect of androgens is that they cause blood vessels to narrow (stenosis). Even the very mild DHEA is known to do this in some experiments.
In all these processes the endothelial cells lining the blood vessels are the key factor. Anabolic steroids harden these cells, which causes higher blood pressure. This in turn causes enlargement of the heart muscle. The hardened cells are also more susceptible to blood clots.
This is the background of the Italian study. The researchers exposed endothelial cells to testosterone, the testosterone precursor androstenedione, and two precursors of nandrolone. They then recorded the concentration at which half of the cells stopped growing. The results are presented below.
The more an anabolic steroid reduces growth of blood vessel cells, the more dangerous the anabolic steroid is for the heart and blood vessels. Nandrolone is much more damaging than testosterone, as the figure above shows.
Norandrostenediol on the other hand turns out to be surprisingly mild. [Maybe the stuff is a SARM after all – red.] The graphs below show the effect of testosterone [blue], nandrolone [black] and norandrostenediol [green] on the growth and development of the endothelium cells. Nandrolone has a much greater effect on cells then testosterone.
[TABLE="align: right"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD]<ins style="display: inline-table; border: none; height: 600px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; visibility: visible; width: 120px; "><ins id="aswift_2_anchor" style="display: block; border: none; height: 600px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; visibility: visible; width: 120px; "><iframe style="width: 120px" height="600" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" vspace="0" hspace="0" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no" id="aswift_2" name="aswift_2"></iframe></ins></ins>[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
The anabolic steroids increase the concentration of calcium in the cell, the researchers found. Cellular calcium activates suicide enzymes.
"According to these findings, we suggest that the observed endothelial alterations may be considered as events predisposing to serious damage at the cell vasculature level", the Italian researchers write.
Most heavy anabolic steroids used in chemical bodybuilding are based on testosterone, not nandrolone. As you can see from this Italian research, that’s not such a bad idea at all.
Nandrolone kills the blood vessel lining at a concentration eleven times lower than that at which testosterone kills them. Researchers from the University of L’Aquila in Italy discovered this in laboratory tests on human cells.
Heavy and long-term use of anabolic steroids such as testosterone and nandrolone increases the chance of fatal heart failure, and even more so when combined with recreational drugs like cocaine.
[TABLE="align: right"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD]<ins style="display: inline-table; border: none; height: 600px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; visibility: visible; width: 120px; "><ins id="aswift_1_anchor" style="display: block; border: none; height: 600px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; visibility: visible; width: 120px; "><iframe style="width: 120px" height="600" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" vspace="0" hspace="0" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no" id="aswift_1" name="aswift_1"></iframe></ins></ins>[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
There are several theories, which do not exclude each other, as to why anabolic steroids have this effect. The most well known is that anabolic steroids make the heart muscle grow, sometimes to deadly proportions. This effect doesn’t set in after a single course of supplements, or even after a heavy dosage, but only after prolonged use. The chance of the heart muscle becoming enlarged increases even more when anabolic steroids are used in combination with human growth hormone.
Anabolic steroids also have an immediate effect on heart and blood vessels. In high concentrations they kill heart cells and produce blood clots. These tiny, almost invisible clots can cut tissue from the blood vessel lining.
Another negative effect of androgens is that they cause blood vessels to narrow (stenosis). Even the very mild DHEA is known to do this in some experiments.
In all these processes the endothelial cells lining the blood vessels are the key factor. Anabolic steroids harden these cells, which causes higher blood pressure. This in turn causes enlargement of the heart muscle. The hardened cells are also more susceptible to blood clots.
This is the background of the Italian study. The researchers exposed endothelial cells to testosterone, the testosterone precursor androstenedione, and two precursors of nandrolone. They then recorded the concentration at which half of the cells stopped growing. The results are presented below.
The more an anabolic steroid reduces growth of blood vessel cells, the more dangerous the anabolic steroid is for the heart and blood vessels. Nandrolone is much more damaging than testosterone, as the figure above shows.
Norandrostenediol on the other hand turns out to be surprisingly mild. [Maybe the stuff is a SARM after all – red.] The graphs below show the effect of testosterone [blue], nandrolone [black] and norandrostenediol [green] on the growth and development of the endothelium cells. Nandrolone has a much greater effect on cells then testosterone.
[TABLE="align: right"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD]<ins style="display: inline-table; border: none; height: 600px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; visibility: visible; width: 120px; "><ins id="aswift_2_anchor" style="display: block; border: none; height: 600px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; visibility: visible; width: 120px; "><iframe style="width: 120px" height="600" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" vspace="0" hspace="0" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no" id="aswift_2" name="aswift_2"></iframe></ins></ins>[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
The anabolic steroids increase the concentration of calcium in the cell, the researchers found. Cellular calcium activates suicide enzymes.
"According to these findings, we suggest that the observed endothelial alterations may be considered as events predisposing to serious damage at the cell vasculature level", the Italian researchers write.
Most heavy anabolic steroids used in chemical bodybuilding are based on testosterone, not nandrolone. As you can see from this Italian research, that’s not such a bad idea at all.
I would think that it depends on the person and the dosages and what they are taking
low dosages of test say 500mg a week for 5 years would be long term
3grams a week for 6 months would be long term
etc, etc
look at some of these pros, for 15-20 years straight they never come off
low dosages of test say 500mg a week for 5 years would be long term
3grams a week for 6 months would be long term
etc, etc
look at some of these pros, for 15-20 years straight they never come off
big in vegas
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I love test personally, but I'm getting ready to run var so that may be my new long term steroid (9 months+)
Similar threads
