learner202
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I know I am not ready. EQ does not mess up your test level does it? It is not a test right?
Bridgeing
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Chemical Evolution said:
learner202
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I am not going to do slin yet. I don't know if I want to mess with it. I am however listening to input and opinions so I can learn. Thanks guys!
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Some people bridge with low dose D-ball. I'm not suggesting this though just some info for you.
learner202
Banana
D-bol does not agree with me. It makes me get headaches, and makes me tired a lot. I don't know why, but it makes me never want to do it again.
learner202
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I never got headaches till I used this stuff I took this time. Man really a bummer. I had to save about 80 pills.
not sure if this is a PCT or a bridge, i consider them to be the same b/c they are both after the same goal, minimize muscle loss, but anyways im going to use tribulus and clen between my next cycles. through past experience, i foung tribulus to work well at increaseing test production very quickly @ 2000mg per day , for me it works much better than clomid and i dont like HCG b/c i crash after usage is stopped. i will also use the clen to assist in stopping any anti-catabolic activity.
Bridging 101
Arimidex from MesoRX board explains the dbol bridge:
Ah...now lets delve into mathematics, shall we:
First: 15mg I said 10mg.
15mg lowered test levels by 69%.
LH and FSH by 50%
Now, lets apply some simple math.
15mg dball will be excreted in.......15mg /average 4hr T-life = Average of:
15mg ------ 7.5mg ------ 3.75mg ------ 1.875mg ------- 0.9875mg
So after overgoing 4 Half-life conversion(I'm not even counting the fact that excercise INCREASES dball excretion btw...by quite a margin)
It took the men roughly 16hrs to get to within reasonable Dball(Androgen concentrations), about roughly 1mg. In case you're wondering, I'm mathematically comparing the suppression seen by 15mg and 10mg of dball in reference to blood levels and time. (I'm not even going to state that the study doesn't even say they took it all in the AM....they probably didn't. But I'm feeling charitable today so I'll give you guys a break. I'll stipulate they took i all in the AM)
Now, for 10mg.
10mg ------- 5mg --------- 2.5mg --------1.25mg ---------0.625mg
Linearly speaking, it took 3.4 half-lives or roughly 13.6 hrs to get to 1mg.
Thats 85% of the 15mg Dball study.13.6hrs/16hrs = 0.85
So, Free Test should then become 58.7% decrease and LH and FSH 42.5%
This is using the 4hr half-life. The gold standard for dball.
Now lets add Arimidex and Clomid to the mix shall wee?
Arimidex will INCREASE the decrease in test seen by the AM dball administration via less testosterone being converted into estrogen via the aromatase enzyme.
By how much normally? 58% increase in test.(Look the abstracts up. They've been posted a zillion times...I'm not going to do it for you) And also a large decrease in estrogen mind you.
OK. So now, the 58.7% reduction in test seen for the 10mg Dball is FURTHER reduced to (58.7 * (1-0.58)) = 24. 65%
So, low and behold 10mg AM dball+arimidex BY THEMSELVES cause only a 24.65% drop in test levels. Compare this to the 58.7% seen in the Dball only group. This is why arimidex MUST be used, and why I have said it a zillion times.
Now lets add Clomid and HCG shall we? Good. The math/pharmacology class is proceeding nicely. Clomid will boost both FSH and LH, and HCG will cause yet ANOTHER surge in endo Test levels through its effects on the Leydig cells. And low and behold, since we are on arimidex, the increase seen will be test only because the aromatase enzyme is being blocked by the arimidex from converting the test surge caused by the HCG into estrogen..
By how much?
I don't know. But what I do know, is that the 24.65% reduction in testosterone will be reduced even further(By the HCG and the Clomid), and the LH values as well to well less than 45%.
Gee whiz…..am I starting to kill of all the SCIENTIFIC doubters…….. LOL
From my bloodwork(and from other peoples) NOT Clomid and HCG studies, I came up with an INCREASE in Test levels over pre-main cycle levels and an almost normal LH.(Roughly 80-90%) of normal.
The problem was THAT I could not extrapolate info from ANY HCG and Clomid studies b/c they were not on the AM Dball routine.
So, I had to test it on myself and get bloodwork done.
And it WORKED. Yes, it WORKED. My test levels INCREASED while on the Dball AM bridge while my LH slowly recuperated, when compared to pre-main cycle levels.
Again, the dball bridge ONLY works if you take the dball in accordance with your bodies circadian rhythm. If you don't go to sleep at a certain time and sleep for 8 hours and wake up at a certain time(and then take the 10mg dball right away) CONSISTENTLY, The Dball bridge will then not work properly.
As an addendum, if you actually want to BOOST your LH levels to normal while on the bridge, use 25mg proviron 6-8 weeks before your AM Dball Bridge post-cycle therapy, and you will then be able to increase LH levels to normal.(I already proved this with studies at AF…go look them up. Its in the Hall of Fame) You obviously must use the proviron during the Dball bridge as well.
So, the Bridge becomes:
(6-8 weeks) before end of Main cycle: Start 25mg Proviron
End Main Cycle.
AM Dball Bridge cycle: 8 weeks
#1.Start Bridge at 10mg Dball in the AM upon waking up. #2 Make damn sure you take the 10mg dball at the same damn time every day. As soon as you wake up. This wake up time (if 8 or 9 or 10 AM) must be used for the rest of the bridge(8 weeks)(Circadian Rhythm is VERY important to the success of the bridge) #3 Proviron at 25mgs/day(LH booster) #4 Arimidex at 1mg ED or more.(2mg is as high as I would go). #5 HCG at 5000IU's 2X/week on Weeks 5,6,7,8(Endo Test Booster) #6 Clomid at 300mgs Day 1, and then 100mgs/day from then on until the end of the bridge(LH and FSH Booster)
End result: Test levels HIGHER than pre-main cycle levels…by roughly 20% (Most definately in the normal range), and a normal LH function. Even better: NO DAMN MUSCLE LOST while coming off the bridge. Almost EVERY single post-cycle therapy out there causes you to lose muscle(Except for GH/Slin/IGF-1). PERIOD. Well guess what? This one doesn't.
There, I scientifically and mathematically wise PROVED that the AM Dball Bridge works.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/forums...ssage_ID=342244
Arimidex from MesoRX board explains the dbol bridge:
Ah...now lets delve into mathematics, shall we:
First: 15mg I said 10mg.
15mg lowered test levels by 69%.
LH and FSH by 50%
Now, lets apply some simple math.
15mg dball will be excreted in.......15mg /average 4hr T-life = Average of:
15mg ------ 7.5mg ------ 3.75mg ------ 1.875mg ------- 0.9875mg
So after overgoing 4 Half-life conversion(I'm not even counting the fact that excercise INCREASES dball excretion btw...by quite a margin)
It took the men roughly 16hrs to get to within reasonable Dball(Androgen concentrations), about roughly 1mg. In case you're wondering, I'm mathematically comparing the suppression seen by 15mg and 10mg of dball in reference to blood levels and time. (I'm not even going to state that the study doesn't even say they took it all in the AM....they probably didn't. But I'm feeling charitable today so I'll give you guys a break. I'll stipulate they took i all in the AM)
Now, for 10mg.
10mg ------- 5mg --------- 2.5mg --------1.25mg ---------0.625mg
Linearly speaking, it took 3.4 half-lives or roughly 13.6 hrs to get to 1mg.
Thats 85% of the 15mg Dball study.13.6hrs/16hrs = 0.85
So, Free Test should then become 58.7% decrease and LH and FSH 42.5%
This is using the 4hr half-life. The gold standard for dball.
Now lets add Arimidex and Clomid to the mix shall wee?
Arimidex will INCREASE the decrease in test seen by the AM dball administration via less testosterone being converted into estrogen via the aromatase enzyme.
By how much normally? 58% increase in test.(Look the abstracts up. They've been posted a zillion times...I'm not going to do it for you) And also a large decrease in estrogen mind you.
OK. So now, the 58.7% reduction in test seen for the 10mg Dball is FURTHER reduced to (58.7 * (1-0.58)) = 24. 65%
So, low and behold 10mg AM dball+arimidex BY THEMSELVES cause only a 24.65% drop in test levels. Compare this to the 58.7% seen in the Dball only group. This is why arimidex MUST be used, and why I have said it a zillion times.
Now lets add Clomid and HCG shall we? Good. The math/pharmacology class is proceeding nicely. Clomid will boost both FSH and LH, and HCG will cause yet ANOTHER surge in endo Test levels through its effects on the Leydig cells. And low and behold, since we are on arimidex, the increase seen will be test only because the aromatase enzyme is being blocked by the arimidex from converting the test surge caused by the HCG into estrogen..
By how much?
I don't know. But what I do know, is that the 24.65% reduction in testosterone will be reduced even further(By the HCG and the Clomid), and the LH values as well to well less than 45%.
Gee whiz…..am I starting to kill of all the SCIENTIFIC doubters…….. LOL
From my bloodwork(and from other peoples) NOT Clomid and HCG studies, I came up with an INCREASE in Test levels over pre-main cycle levels and an almost normal LH.(Roughly 80-90%) of normal.
The problem was THAT I could not extrapolate info from ANY HCG and Clomid studies b/c they were not on the AM Dball routine.
So, I had to test it on myself and get bloodwork done.
And it WORKED. Yes, it WORKED. My test levels INCREASED while on the Dball AM bridge while my LH slowly recuperated, when compared to pre-main cycle levels.
Again, the dball bridge ONLY works if you take the dball in accordance with your bodies circadian rhythm. If you don't go to sleep at a certain time and sleep for 8 hours and wake up at a certain time(and then take the 10mg dball right away) CONSISTENTLY, The Dball bridge will then not work properly.
As an addendum, if you actually want to BOOST your LH levels to normal while on the bridge, use 25mg proviron 6-8 weeks before your AM Dball Bridge post-cycle therapy, and you will then be able to increase LH levels to normal.(I already proved this with studies at AF…go look them up. Its in the Hall of Fame) You obviously must use the proviron during the Dball bridge as well.
So, the Bridge becomes:
(6-8 weeks) before end of Main cycle: Start 25mg Proviron
End Main Cycle.
AM Dball Bridge cycle: 8 weeks
#1.Start Bridge at 10mg Dball in the AM upon waking up. #2 Make damn sure you take the 10mg dball at the same damn time every day. As soon as you wake up. This wake up time (if 8 or 9 or 10 AM) must be used for the rest of the bridge(8 weeks)(Circadian Rhythm is VERY important to the success of the bridge) #3 Proviron at 25mgs/day(LH booster) #4 Arimidex at 1mg ED or more.(2mg is as high as I would go). #5 HCG at 5000IU's 2X/week on Weeks 5,6,7,8(Endo Test Booster) #6 Clomid at 300mgs Day 1, and then 100mgs/day from then on until the end of the bridge(LH and FSH Booster)
End result: Test levels HIGHER than pre-main cycle levels…by roughly 20% (Most definately in the normal range), and a normal LH function. Even better: NO DAMN MUSCLE LOST while coming off the bridge. Almost EVERY single post-cycle therapy out there causes you to lose muscle(Except for GH/Slin/IGF-1). PERIOD. Well guess what? This one doesn't.
There, I scientifically and mathematically wise PROVED that the AM Dball Bridge works.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/forums...ssage_ID=342244
Re: Bridging 101
Not necessarily. The problem is the blood tests were conducted under the influence of exogenous drugs. The real proof of viability would be whether testosterone and LH levels would remain at baseline after withdrawal of all of the exo stuff. To be sure, blood tests would have to taken at periodic points after discontinuance (e.g., 4 weeks, 8 weeks, 12 weeks, etc.). I would bet a rebound effect would be realized at some point after cessation, possibly requiring a re-challenge of the HPTA.
KTBass said:
Not necessarily. The problem is the blood tests were conducted under the influence of exogenous drugs. The real proof of viability would be whether testosterone and LH levels would remain at baseline after withdrawal of all of the exo stuff. To be sure, blood tests would have to taken at periodic points after discontinuance (e.g., 4 weeks, 8 weeks, 12 weeks, etc.). I would bet a rebound effect would be realized at some point after cessation, possibly requiring a re-challenge of the HPTA.
learner202
Banana
Clen is considered a anti catabolic drug right? What about not using clen or d-bol. What about eating really good, and taking creatine. Is that enough?
learner202
Banana
No bro I have five weeks still, but I dont want to lose very much. I haven't in the past, but I don't want to this time either.
learner202 said:
I have been pasing around the clen with a few people to see what they thought...It is not a bad idea....it is not really a steriod....different compound.....was used with asthma patience....anyway just eating good and taking creatine is not going to do enough to help you keep your gains...or all of them....the release of cortisol is too much...it will eat up much of your gains....
learner202
Banana
What is the dosage for clen? Also, how long does it take for cortisol levels to taper off.(how long to stay on clen?)
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