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supersport said:
Randy
I have a question for you. I have been BB'd since 1982-never competed but have made good gains over the years. I did the high carb thing in the eigties when that was "in" and low carb now. My question is this-I have always noticed that whether I do low intensity or high intensity cardio that the next day my muscles are always "flat". I have tried everything from no carbs after cardio to loading with creatine and simple sugars etc. Caloric intake has always been sky high-1.5-2 lbs red meat per day,half gallon of ice cream per day, meal replacements,protein powders etc. last few years i have given up ice cream (I am a recovering ice cream junkie!) and eat cleaner, but still experience this muscle flatness after cardio. Any ideas? You and MD posted that you only use diet and no cardio for show prep-do you use any thermogenic agents (t-3, clen, ECA stack, etc) or just modify your diet?

Sorry, man. I see you bumped this and that I never answered your question!

What kind of cardio are you doing?... Damage to the muscles (e.g., from lifting or whatever makes you sore - running is a more likely candidate than cycling) will impair glycogen storage.

I use clen and ECA. T3 tends to make me lose muscle when dieting. I'm also a big proponent of yohimbine... In addtion to this, I jus tmodify diet. I go with a zero carb diet, carbing up on various schedules according to my lifting. I mainly just make sure not tro try to train a muscle group twice w/o a carb-up in between.

Hope this helps, man.

Thanks for bumping this, too. Will save me some typing!!! LOL

-Randy
 
I usually do stairmaster for cardio-but to be honest I am thinking about trashing the cardio for a while-I use winter to try to put on some muscle anyway-I try to lean out for spring-summer-fall-I live at the beach, can't be a fat bastard you know. I tried ECA when it first became popular but I always got moody as hell about 4-5 hours after taking it, which is really unusual for me so I stopped it. But I am interested in trying clen and I do have some cytomel i am saving for spring. Seems like cardio has never been real helpful to me anyway(either low int or hi int). i have always used yohimbe extract(great vasodilator,especially for the extremeties)-think i also read that it mobilizes bodyfat or a thermo effect,can't recall. My unit likes it too! LOL!
 
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homonunculus said:
I go with a zero carb diet, carbing up on various schedules according to my lifting. I mainly just make sure not tro try to train a muscle group twice w/o a carb-up in between.

Hope this helps, man.

Thanks for bumping this, too. Will save me some typing!!! LOL

-Randy

Curious about your carb loading program.I'm not competing or anything, just curious. I read some of Dorians articles in his day(of course FLEX MAG isn't going to publish the real deal)but he mentioned about carb loading 3 days and depleting for 3 days etc.
 
homononculus, can u provide a little more detail as to your no carb diet and then on the carb loading sequence?!
 
Hey guys,

Pretty simple:

On carb days, I eat 15kcal / lb bodyweight, with 1-1.5 g protein / lb, low fat. This is essentially just eating maintenance kcal w/ a low fat diet. I usually train in the AM, so this gives me abou 12 - 15 hrs to carb up on a given day.

The purpose of the carbing up:
- replenish glycogen
- provide anabolism to slow / prevent loss of muscle mass.

If I'm just coming off a bulkding diet, I will just eat at maintenance for couple weeks (as above - "clean" LOL) and then I might put in 2-3 zero carb days in a week for a couple weeks.

THereafter, if I train 3x / week, I might do:

Mon, AM train, carb up diet as above
T: low/no carb
W: as mon.
R: low/no carb
Fr, as mon
S/S; Low/no carb

On that same 3 day split, I might do a carb up (as above) from Sat. AM - Sun PM, but put in a single carb containing meal after each workout ot help w/ muscle loss. (but still eating few enought kcal that day for fat loss).

Essentially:
- During the carb-up periods, I eat a normal low fat, high carb diet, making sure to get enough protein.
---I try not to go from a high carb bulking stage directly into no carbs for several days in a row - too much muscle loss.
--I carb up as needed so I don't train w/o glycogen and to prevent muscle loss.

-Randy
 
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