hate dbol. Brutha, you and I are ectomorphs by nature. I can loose 10 lbs in one day if I dont eat. Stick to a high calorie diet, high in carbs. Train heavy but smart. Find the exercises that work for YOU. Fuck those magazines. Use supplements that work for YOU. Enath at 500-750 every days with winny or something like that. Press/dude/and chris know more about that but I can tell you and I have very similiar bodies and it wasnt until I got smart and listend to what foods my body liked and how much and the training changed. Hard to explain and I know you already knew this. Sounds like your frustrated bc the big boys on here Nuk/Chris/dude are going for 300lbs and thats ok but they are ahead of us,.. for now, lol.